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Post #21 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:04 am 
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My vote is for Lee Changho.

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:10 am 
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What's Jowa famous for ? Who were his contemporaries ?

"Don't run".

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:11 am 
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Loons wrote:
What's Jowa famous for ?


Telling Bill not to run. :mrgreen:

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Post #24 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:12 am 
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Loons wrote:
What's Jowa famous for ? Who were his contemporaries ?

I remember him mainly as the 'evil antagonist' of Akaboshi Intetsu in the famous "Blood-vomitting Game". Well, perhaps not so much evil as ambitious. And uhm, one of the best go players of all time of course.

All your base are belong to Google:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?Jowa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honinbo_Jowa
http://gobase.org/games/japan/masters/masters/jowa/

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Post #25 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:22 am 
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Loons wrote:
What's Jowa famous for ?


Others have already answered this one, but when I'm telling the story to people I'm trying to get interested in Go, I describe Jowa to them with: "not only did he beat the guy who challenged his right to the title Meijin, but beat him so badly the guy died from it!!"

Then in response to their wide-eyed astonishment, I explain that people nowadays are pretty sure Intetsu had tuberculosis, but it's still a great story - especially with the bit about Jowa being shown moves by the ghosts of his ancestors while he was in a fever-dream.

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:26 am 
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Post #27 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:43 am 
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Lee "the Stone Buddha" Changho for me too

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Post #28 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:12 am 
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Jowa for his personality.
Figures you would like the meanest player in go history :mrgreen:


Was Jowa actually mean/rude/evil/whatever? Between the suspicion of political intrigue at his appointment to office and, of course, the death of his opponent as a postscript to the Blood-Vomiting Game, we're sort of preconditioned to think of him as the villain of the story. But the problem with that view is that the story wasn't fiction - it's literally what happened.

He was (by the rules of the time) cleared of the accusation of being wrongfully appointed Meijin (in a most dramatic manner!) and obviously Akaboshi's illness can't really be blamed on Jowa.

Does anyone know anything about his actual personality and habits? Was he really a kind-hearted soul who taught Go at the local orphanage and adopted stray kittens?


P.S. Go Seigen, Takagawa Kaku, and Gu Lingyi rate among my faves. I also can't ever resist looking at a game by Lee Sedol (and Jowa too, but don't have enough examples in my personal database) but those are usually less about flow and more in the nature of watching an earthquake or tsunami - a powerful force of nature, in whose path something *big* is about to be destroyed.

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Post #29 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:41 am 
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"God of War" Cho Hunhyun.

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Post #30 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:53 am 
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I guess if I had to actually pick someone, perhaps Kitani Minoru.

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Post #31 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:45 pm 
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Hane Naoki, Yamashita Keigo and Yoda.

Love to see the 1st 2 duke it out and Yoda's just too cool for words (at least mine).

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Post #32 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:17 pm 
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ethanb wrote:
Was Jowa actually mean/rude/evil/whatever? Between the suspicion of political intrigue at his appointment to office and, of course, the death of his opponent as a postscript to the Blood-Vomiting Game, we're sort of preconditioned to think of him as the villain of the story.

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Well, perhaps not so much evil as ambitious. And uhm, one of the best go players of all time of course.

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Was he really a kind-hearted soul who taught Go at the local orphanage and adopted stray kittens?
If Honinbo Jowa did such things, I assume it would only be to indulge in his orphan- and kitten eating habits. :twisted:


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Post #33 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:10 pm 
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Without having studied pro games, my go idol is Nakayama Noriyuki, for his great go writings.

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Post #34 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:24 pm 
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Yeah, I'm amazed there are so many negative thoughts about Jowa. That's not to say, that he wasn't ambitious. It's highly likely he was. I think many of his games look similar to a modern game, so I actually enjoy reviewing his games. I think it's very forward thinking compared to the other players of that period. I don't really have a favorite though, since I haven't studied enough pro games.

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Post #35 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 pm 
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Go Seigen, although he's a bit of an obvious choice because of sheer skill.

Apart from that, Gu Li. He's known for being very aggressive, which would normally put me off, but from the games of his that I've seen his style somehow strikes me as very elegant.

Having said that, the following game against Wang Xi in the 7th Chang-ki Cup is just pure violence. (Sent to me by a Taiwanese friend.)


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Post #36 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:34 pm 
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Let's see. I watched one of countsheep's videos a while back and it was a game that Go Seigen played, and I remember being very impressed by his play. I also like countsheep's analysis and other videos (Ten minute go series).

I like Shusaku, too. While right now I don't understand the Ear-reddening game and why the ear-reddening move was so good, my goal is to eventually get there.

Cho U and Cho Chikun also, since they both seem to be so dominant when they're both playing their best.

So I guess Go Seigen, Honinbo Shusaku, Cho U, and Cho Chikun.

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Post #37 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:45 pm 
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Post #38 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:24 am 
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Go Seigen, although he's a bit of an obvious choice because of sheer skill.

Apart from that, Gu Li. He's known for being very aggressive, which would normally put me off, but from the games of his that I've seen his style somehow strikes me as very elegant.

Having said that, the following game against Wang Xi in the 7th Chang-ki Cup is just pure violence. (Sent to me by a Taiwanese friend.)



I watched this game live on a demo board with commentary from two current pros at Tiandi Jian in Beijing. Even they didn't really know what was going on, and then it was over :shock:

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Post #39 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:49 am 
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I watched this game live on a demo board with commentary from two current pros at Tiandi Jian in Beijing. Even they didn't really know what was going on, and then it was over :shock:


Unbelievable game indeed. Chess commentators say in such situations "the game is dynamically balanced", meaning "I have no idea what is going on" :D

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Post #40 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:04 am 
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I thought Choi Choelhan would fit you more :3

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