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Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9x9?
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Author:  Alcadeias [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9x9?
Hello.

As you all know, in 19x19 Black always play the first move in the lower half of the top right corner. It's impolite not to do so.

But what about in 9x9? Must we also follow this tradition by playing the first move on one of the following marked points?

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[go]$$B
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . C |
$$ | . . . . . . . C C |
$$ | . . , . . . C C C |
$$ | . . . . . C C C C |
$$ | . . . . C C C C C |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . . . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


I actually hate this rule of playing the first move in the lower half of the top right corner...
Because if we do that most of the time Black will end up having most of the top half of the board while White will end up having most of the bottom half of the board. And since Black seats at the bottom of the board and White seats at the top of the board it's awkward since both players will have to stretch to the opposite side of the board to play most of their moves...
So in my opinion Black should play the first move in the lower half of the bottom right corner, on one of the following marked points:

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[go]$$B
$$ +-------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . , . . . , . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . . C C . . . |
$$ | . . , . C C C . . |
$$ | . . . . C C C C . |
$$ | . . . . C C C C C |
$$ +-------------------+[/go]


(Playing in the lower half of the bottom left corner is maybe also a good idea if you're left handed.)

What do you think?
Author:  DrStraw [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Not sure what that top/bottom divide is that you are talking about. Parallel fuseki us almost always played as left/right. This means that there is a tendency to end up with teritory on the right from the point of view of each player. That makes sense for right handed players.

As for the actually question, I always play that way and I see no reason why it should be different because of the small board.
Author:  gowan [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Simply, no it is not impolite for Black to play the first move elsewhere than in Black's upper right corner. And, actually, it is not impolite to play somewhere else in 19x19, maybe a little unusual but not impolite. Black's upper right corner is White's lower left so if you take that attitude Black's first move should be in White's lower left corner. However, nowadays, most go games are played on internet go servers and, I believe, both sides see the same board diagram on which to play. Thus on internet play a Black first move in the upper right is in White's upper right, too. :)
Author:  xed_over [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Alcadeias wrote:
It's impolite not to do so.

Some cultures are defined by their relationship to cheese.
Author:  RBerenguel [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Hmmm I usually play on the UR corner if I play sansan or 4-4 (or some other off-diagonal), but if I play on 4-5 or 3-5, I do it on the left, not sure why.
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
I have always thought that the idea of one corner to be more polite than another to be rather silly - regardless of size. After all, the board is symmetrical.
Author:  Bonobo [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Some explanations abt the history behind this tradition and why it was/is regarded as polite can be found in Sensei’s Library at Playing The First Move In The Upper Right Corner / Discussion


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xed_over wrote:
Alcadeias wrote:
It's impolite not to do so.

Some cultures are defined by their relationship to cheese.
Yes, I once was told that it’s a severe insult to the French if one puts Camembert into the fridge. And don’t let me begin about Ketchup …

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Author:  RBerenguel [ Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
Bonobo wrote:
Some explanations abt the history behind this tradition and why it was/is regarded as polite can be found in Sensei’s Library at Playing The First Move In The Upper Right Corner / Discussion


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xed_over wrote:
Alcadeias wrote:
It's impolite not to do so.

Some cultures are defined by their relationship to cheese.
Yes, I once was told that it’s a severe insult to the French if one puts Camembert into the fridge. And don’t let me begin about Ketchup …

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Obviously French don't live in Spain. Leave Camembert outside of the fridge here and you'll have a stinky puddle.

NB: I wrote poodle first, then thought it seemed weird. Luckily I checked Google before submitting XD
Author:  drmwc [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Must we play the first move in the top right corner in 9
The English specialise in chasing hard cheeses, which are rolling down a steep hill. There are serious injuries most year. Here's a sample of the annual cheese rolling festival:
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