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Author:  otagotasolo [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  perception of areas
hi everyone

i noticed that i always heavily overestimate my territory and underestimate opponent's territory (it is like the endgame opposite to the perception that opponents moyo is bigger than mine).

but the trouble is that i end up with lost games where i thought i was nice in advantage.

did anyone experience that too?

btw i am about 5kyu on DGS
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:11 am ]
Post subject: 
otagotasolo wrote:
i always heavily overestimate my territory and underestimate opponent's territory
Have you also noticed whether this has any correlation(s) at all with any other aspects of your life.
Author:  Pio2001 [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: perception of areas
Hi,
It happens sometimes, depending on the shape of the territories, but I avoid this by always doing the reverse estimation next : ok, I am ahead, but what about my opponent ? Is he as ahaed as me ?

I my opponent is more ahead, I invade, if I am more ahead, I defend.
Author:  longshanks [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
EdLee wrote:
otagotasolo wrote:
i always heavily overestimate my territory and underestimate opponent's territory
Have you also noticed whether this has any correlation(s) at all with any other aspects of your life.


I had to laugh at this reply. It sounds more like psychonalysis through stones.. :)

Otagotasolo: Of course guessing is a subjective tool (and our mood, personality, etc can affect our judgement). A more objective method is required. I'd recommend you either offset areas of equal sizes against one another for a quick and dirty way of working it out. Or just count it ! Yeah, this is hard (and involves reading out likely endgame sequences). I'm actually not too bad at calculating where I am. I keep track of where I am in other games too (e.g. pip count in backgammon etc) so it seems obvious to me that doing so is good information for strategy planning. _My_ weakness is it having to be an explicit process rather than it occurring naturally throughout the game informing my every move.
Author:  Kirby [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: perception of areas
The simplest solution seems to try counting at various stages of the game. Then when you review a game where you've misestimated, try to see if your post-game analysis count is the same as what you thought during the game.

If it's different, then you know where your problem is and what you evaluated wrong.

If your count during the review matches what you thought during the game, then perhaps you can post a game here and explain what you thought the score was at a given position, and see if others here agree.
Author:  Kirby [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
EdLee wrote:
Have you also noticed whether this has any correlation(s) at all with any other aspects of your life.


If it correlates with other aspects in life, then I must have a tendency to envy what other people have, and not appreciate what I have...

Maybe it's true :mrgreen:
Author:  Unusedname [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: perception of areas
I'm the opposite. I always feel like I'm far behind so I take risks I don't have to, end up dying, and then in review realized I could have just strengthened my areas and been just fine.

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=8625
This thread has some notes on how to count points more accurately by considering reduction moves and strength of surrounding groups.
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:38 am ]
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Kirby wrote:
If it correlates with other aspects in life, then I must have a tendency to envy what other people have, and not appreciate what I have...

Proverb: The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

Happy 2016, Kirby. :)
Author:  otagotasolo [ Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: perception of areas
hi, thanks for your answers.

the jelausy in the opening applies good to this proverb i guess. and i am really jealous and i really like to secure my positions seeing all the bad ajis i could suffer from.

but in the late mid game something opposite happens.
the glass becomes suddenly half full.
could be some magic thinking...

i will try the counting methods

happy 2016
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