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Author:  pragmaticleas [ Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:49 am ]
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Just wondering if anyone has compiled what could be learned from AlphaGo's plays into learning materials.
Author:  hyperpape [ Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:20 pm ]
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I don't think anyone knows what we've learned. Pros are trying to use moves from Alphago (see Uberdude's thread) but it's a long way from there to a robust understanding, and then another year or more from there to books.
Author:  Kirby [ Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:16 pm ]
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Well, there is Yuan Zhou's commentary on the AlphaGo vs. Lee Sedol match:
https://www.amazon.com/AlphaGo-Lee-Sedo ... 1542800714

I have the book, but haven't finished it. He goes through variations, and provides his commentary on the games. He talks about AlphaGo's strategy, but it's not a comprehensive analysis of how AlphaGo plays, per say.

Compared to this book, it might be beneficial to take a look at the learning materials that DeepMind has already published: https://deepmind.com/research/alphago/m ... s-english/

I'd also recommend the various online commentary of AlphaGo, such as what Haylee has done, and/or all of the various commentary from the AGA YouTube channel.
Author:  John Fairbairn [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:00 am ]
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There is a full-length 2016 book in Korean by Hong Min-P'yo (a pro) and Kim Shin-ho (a Japanese version also exists) on the match with Yi Se-tol. It doesn't present the lessons learnt in any structured way, but it does address questions such as "Why did AlphaGo make a mistake?" in Game 1, which is obviously not run-of-the-mill commentary.

There has also been a very recent series in Go World (as supplements) by Ohashi Hirofumi on the Master (=AG) games. From memory, he covered AG as White, AG as Black and AG's surprising moves. This does have some structure and is quite detailed, but focusing on ideas rather than variations, and is the best stuff I've seen. Ohashi seems to have abandoned his Spaceman style (e.g. his Orion's Belt opening) but does have a pedigree in trying to understand new styles, and he has been fairly involved with the Zen program.
Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:33 am ]
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Antti Tormanen 1p is writing a book on the Master games with support from some other Japanese pros, which I believe is almost finished.

Jeff Chang (ama Chinese 5d, Euro 6d) did this video lecture on AlphaGo's 3-3 invasions in the OSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvbZrzbkTgM. It will be some time until pros let alone amateurs make sense of these new ideas, but it's a start.
Author:  othkhvn [ Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:46 am ]
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There is a two volume set in Chinese called Master的一手 (which translates to Master's Move). It is written by Taiwanese professionals Hsiao Chenghao 蕭正浩 9p, Lin Shuyang 林書陽 8p, and Hsia Daming 夏大銘 6p. I haven't gotten a chance to read them, but they'll probably be my next purchase.
Author:  oren [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:28 am ]
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Marcel Grünauer wrote:
Marcel Grünauer wrote:
mainabi will publish two books (in Japanese) soon, but it looks like there won't be PDF versions.

https://book.mynavi.jp/ec/products/contents_type=145


There is now a PDF version of 進化を続けるアルファ碁 最強囲碁AIの全貌, so hopefully this will happen for the other two books, that are yet to be released, as well.

https://book.mynavi.jp/ec/products/detail/id=72843


Of course that means the Kindle version is now available. I gave up when there was no option last week and ordered the physical copy, so now I'll just have to buy both. :)
Author:  dankenzon [ Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:28 pm ]
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Cho Hyeyeon in her facebook profile showed some chinese books

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Author:  oren [ Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:33 pm ]
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I picked up Hon dojo review of Master's 60 online games and Ohashi is doing his own soon. Here's some from Japan...

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E4%BE%9D%E7%9 ... 2%E7%A2%81
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%9B%B2%E7%A ... 2%E7%A2%81
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%80%B2%E5%8 ... 2%E7%A2%81
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B06XHZB5ZB/ ... 2%E7%A2%81

There are also a couple more I left out that are more about programming and how the system works and some more about AI discussion and less about Go.

The Hon dojo one is great. I'm looking forward to Ohashi's and Yoda's.
Author:  alphaville [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:06 am ]
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dankenzon wrote:
Cho Hyeyeon in his facebook profile showed some chinese books


"Her".
Author:  dankenzon [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:58 am ]
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alphaville wrote:
dankenzon wrote:
Cho Hyeyeon in his facebook profile showed some chinese books


"Her".


Thanks!! fixed!
Author:  oren [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:36 pm ]
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Marcel Grünauer wrote:
These are the ones that appear on the mynavi site I linked to earlier, where you can buy PDF instead of Kindle versions. But the Amazon pages are useful in that you can read a few sample pages.


I find the kindle versions more convenient, since I can get easy access to download to devices and PDFs. :)
Author:  gowan [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:08 pm ]
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The unexpected moves played by AlphaGo will undoubtedly be copied widely. This will be an opportunity for learning. Right now even the top pros do not fully understand these moves so we weak amateurs certainly don't understand them. We play many moves we don't understand (memorized joseki, imitating pro opening moves, etc., so we won't mind playing moves we don't understand. However, if we don't understand the follow-up of these strange moves there is a good chance that, for us, AlphaGo's surprising moves might in practice be bad moves. If we understand go logic and our opponents play these moves we can take advantage of their lack of understanding of the follow-up. Knowing how popular blitz games are online, played with little or no thought, how much can we learn from playing AlphaGo's moves?
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