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| Author: | macelee [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | mobile phone collection |
Attachment: wKhpBlok6diAAjQjAAF8tJyXPus620.jpg!T800x600.jpg [ 262.71 KiB | Viewed 7582 times ] Not a second hand phone shop, but a scene from a Chinese tournament. It is now a standard requirement for players to hand in their phones before the games. |
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| Author: | moboy78 [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
How do most of the tournament organizers there feel about recording games? Do they only allow game recording sheets? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:28 pm ] |
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Nice if this also applies at (movie) theaters here.  Hi moboy78, For some reason I thought it was a pro tourney. Maybe wrong assumption.  ( For non-pros, once above a certain level, they can recall their games immediately afterwards. ) |
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| Author: | jeromie [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
I’d say that even (or especially) at amateur tournaments, the days of using an electronic device to record a game are coming to an end. It’s just too easy to have access to a stronger player in your pocket, and trying to police exactly what people are doing on their device is an impossible task. |
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| Author: | goTony [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
Indeed Cheating with technology has been an issue for Chess, for some time. I think it would be wise for tournament organizers, look at what they have done to try to prevent it. As I recall at the last US Chess Congress they had metal detector installed. Sadly human nature being what it is we must be vigilant. Here is a link to FIDE's paper on the subject. https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEW ... nex_50.pdf |
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| Author: | Fadedsun [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
Wouldn't it be painfully obvious if you were trying to use your phone to cheat right across from your opponent? Even if you were only using your phone to record your game, it would still be obvious if you were looking at it for any extended period beyond recording moves. |
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| Author: | dfan [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
Fadedsun wrote: Wouldn't it be painfully obvious if you were trying to use your phone to cheat right across from your opponent? Even if you were only using your phone to record your game, it would still be obvious if you were looking at it for any extended period beyond recording moves. You could be using an app that looked like a game-recording app, but subtly indicated what your next move should be. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
Quote: Wouldn't it be painfully obvious if you were trying to use your phone to cheat right across from your opponent? Even if you were only using your phone to record your game, it would still be obvious if you were looking at it for any extended period beyond recording moves. The cheating in chess includes phone-consulting visits to the toilet, coffee bar, etc, and also accomplices sending messages from outside (not just to phones but to vibrators strapped to a player's legs to pick up Morse-code like input). Phone messages can be coded, too, of course, and that kind of cheating goes back to Edo times when strong spectating hustlers would say things like "O-cha?" (want some tea?) with the first letter indicating the coordinate line to play on to a weak accomplice actually doing the playing. Then there's a Ming book on various shenanigans (and punishments) in ancient China. There is also the cheat Mitani Yuki in Hikaru no Go. The most remarkable thing to me is that most cheating in chess is not to do with winning money prizes, but simply with gaining rating points (and, online, anonymously - frankly, that's so far beyond my ken, I don't feel these people even belong to the same species as me). |
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| Author: | Fadedsun [ Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: mobile phone collection |
John Fairbairn wrote: Quote: Wouldn't it be painfully obvious if you were trying to use your phone to cheat right across from your opponent? Even if you were only using your phone to record your game, it would still be obvious if you were looking at it for any extended period beyond recording moves. The most remarkable thing to me is that most cheating in chess is not to do with winning money prizes, but simply with gaining rating points (and, online, anonymously - frankly, that's so far beyond my ken, I don't feel these people even belong to the same species as me). This also makes no sense to me. If you're cheating to get rating points that indicates you are one of the best, clearly you know you aren't if the only reason you got there was by cheating. When it came down to championship games where cheating would be next to impossible, they would crumble. Regarding Go apps that give hints for the next move, I find it to be subpar. I use it on Crazystone sometimes just to see what the computer suggests, but then if you run the in-game analysis the computer will almost always suggest a better move than the one the hint offered. |
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