Yeah, but it builds character.
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| Author: | SpongeBob [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doesn't it hurt ... |
... to lose a game of Go? |
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| Author: | Solomon [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
Yes. |
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| Author: | BaghwanB [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:22 pm ] |
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Only if I drop the board on my foot... Seriously though, I feel very lucky to be surrounded by stronger players for F2F games. It has really helped me appreciate playing for the sake of playing (and trying to play well) much more than playing to win. It has made the losses easier to bear and helped me focus on my own shortcomings in the game instead of looking at it as a mano-y-mano struggle. Bruce "Man-o-mano" Young |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
It certainly does if you've played horribly, or if you let your opponent annoy you and they still end up beating you. |
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| Author: | Toge [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
Game result is always a surprise to me, except when there are kills. I recently won one game (by time) where I was certain that I would lose. Opponent had made successful invasion in middle game and his groups were connected. Score however showed that I was actually just one point ahead. Go is a strange game like that. Perhaps it's for this reason that I rarely get upset over losing. I just try to play the best moves possible, build moyo, attack groups and take sente when possible. That's the 'thing' that makes games fun regardless of result. |
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| Author: | Phelan [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
Depends on how bad I'm playing. If I'm playing a great game, losing doesn't feel bad at all. |
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| Author: | Shaddy [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
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Feels like a nail in my chest. |
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| Author: | mw42 [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:41 pm ] |
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If I lose because my opponent beat me I don't mind. If I lose because I lost focus and blundered I am disappointed. |
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| Author: | Loons [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:43 pm ] |
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Mostly horrible, but some feel great. I really enjoyed this loss: I made a gamelosing (about 10 point) yose mistake on top from a winning position. I was winning probably because he wanted a competing central moyo instead of invading. Very fun game. |
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| Author: | oso [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:48 pm ] |
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I'm not strong enough yet to enjoy losing. |
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| Author: | Monadology [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:59 pm ] |
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Yeah, but it builds character. |
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| Author: | mic [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:59 pm ] |
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Toge wrote: Game result is always a surprise to me, except when there are kills. Out of curiosity: I always thought that you should or need to calculate the score while playing above a certain rank? It seems you don't do it (or the outcome wouldn't have surprised you). Any special reason? Michael PS: I'm also just starting to think about counting / keeping an internal score update 
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
mic wrote: Toge wrote: Game result is always a surprise to me, except when there are kills. Out of curiosity: I always thought that you should or need to calculate the score while playing above a certain rank? It seems you don't do it (or the outcome wouldn't have surprised you). Any special reason? Michael PS: I'm also just starting to think about counting / keeping an internal score update I certainly do it. It's not an essential skill to get to 1 dan (or probably even higher), and I know plenty of people that don't do it, but it certainly helps when you can know "okay, I just need to play safely here and I'll win" vs "It's dead even. I can't give up points for safety" vs "If I don't do something, I will lose." I would say it's worthwhile to invest the time to do it in your games, even if it takes you a long time when you first start learning how to do it. That being said, I've also had my share of surprising scores, mainly when I am either too upset about my poor play (and just want the game to end) or am just being too lazy (which is something I'm trying to eliminate from my play). |
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| Author: | Aphelion [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
I kill kittens when I lose. |
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| Author: | oso [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
Really? I would have thought you would do dirty things to that picture of nami in your av.  (Oh god I've wanted to say that for so long.)
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
For me it's "If I don't do something, the game will become boring.". And that generally does not depend on score 
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| Author: | Violence [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:28 pm ] |
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I don't really count all that much in my games, you can get pretty decently far without counting, as long as you have decent positional judgment. Comparative evaluation is awesome. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
Yes - it hurts to lose. I can't really relate to those that say, "it doesn't hurt if I played a good game". Well, I never play a good game. I always have mistakes. I can only play "good" (well) relative to my opponent. And when I lose, I have not played well in relation to my opponent. |
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| Author: | entropi [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doesn't it hurt ... |
I am working on a psyhological system for feeling good when I win but not feeling bad when I lose. The general design of the system is almost finished but it still needs to be fine-tuned and tested in tournaments. Unfortunately, it cannot be used when I am on diet (which is about 300 days per year). This is because it involves chocolate and/or coke at some stage. Nevertheless the progress is promising. |
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| Author: | mic [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:51 am ] |
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entropi wrote: This is because it involves chocolate and/or coke at some stage. Sounds like a normal day-to-day diet for me  Michael |
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