Life In 19x19 :: Go translation

I was toying with the idea of putting together a module that would enable users to translate headings in Japanese go books, on the assumption that a rather high percentage of information can be gleaned from the headings alone (e.g. Heading: White's attack fails; Body text: If White plays 1, Black jumps to 2 and runs away. White can try chasing at 3 but after Back 4 he has no follow-up.) Of course, the method can be applied to body text, too, though with some major reservations - headings use a smallish subset of the whole grammar and often employ special disambiguation techniques to compensate for the lack of the context that body text has.

But before I wedge my thinking cap on firmly, I thought I would test the state of the art in case my efforts prove to be wasted. I therefore took a whole Japanese book and part of another and translated all the headings. This was very much an instant translation, without reading the body text, although my eye would naturally pick up some useful peripheral data.

I then put each heading into Google translate. The results are given below: heading text, Google version/my version. Google of course does not have a dedicated go dictionary, but that to one side, what do you think of its results? Usable? Likely to improve substantially soon? Worth me dusting off my thinking cap? I should add that my method would not produce translations. It would produce all syntactically viable options and have a dedicated dictionary with transformation rules, but the final decision on wording would be down to the human.

Must add that Google's 'slave station' for a handicap game has certain possibilities...

うるさくなった Became annoyingly/Has become vexing
お手並み拝見 You wait and look/Issuing a challenge
かなりの打ち手 Hand out a lot of/A considerable player
しっかりした布石 Strategic move was firm/Solid fuseki
とらえどころがない Elusive/There is nothing to get hold of
どう決める How do I decide/How to settle
まず九子局から From nine first slave station/First starting with a nine-stone game
めり込んだ It sinks/Caved in territory
もたついた Was tan gled /Is inefficient
もつれてきた Have been entangled/It has become complicated
ゆっくりした布石 Strategic move was slowly/Slow-paced fuseki
ゆるんでいる Loose/Slacks off
よく現れる局面 Aspect that appears well/A position that often appears
アマの着想Idea of flax/The amateur’s idea
シノギ Tiding over/Making life
スソ空きは囲うな THe opening on the side Na Fencing/Don’t surround open skirts
ダメ場へ石がいった Stone said to no good place/The stones went to a wasteland
ノゾキは大悪手 Except for large bad move/The peep is a very bad move
バランスが悪い Imbalances/The balance is bad
プロの感覚 Sense of professional/The pro’s feeling
ボウシにケイマ The knight hat/Knight’s moves against caps
ポピュラーな型 Type popular/Popular pattern
ヨセの手 Hand of Joses/Boundary-play move
位が低くなった In is lower/The position has become low
異筋Different muscle/Wrong way
三子局用のじょうせき Castle Ruins of triplets station /A joseki for three-stone games
悩ましい一手Seductive one hand /Lackadaisical move
一筋縄ではいかないIt does not go straightforward /Doesn’t work with ordinary means
一歩もゆるまずWill not loosen from one step /Does not yield even one step
右か左か Right or left/Right or left?
下手の負けるパターンPattern of poor lose/Pattern in which the weaker player loses
怪しい雲行き Suspicious turn of affairs/Dubious turn of affairs
楽をさせた Was the easy/Has allowed opponent] to be at ease
簡明策 Straightforward measures/Simplicity policy
緩着 Wearing loose/Slack move
頑張り過ぎ Work too hard/Too feisty
基本知識の欠如Lack of basic knowledge /Lack of basic knowledge
寄り道Dropping in on the way/Detour
機略に富んだボウシHat-rich resourceful/Cap rich in resourcefulness
気合の目外しRemove eyes yell/Spirited mokuhazushi
強気のハサミScissors bullish/Powerful pincer
凝り形Stiffness form/Overconcentrated shape
筋違いIllogical/Wrong way
隅だけで生きThe live only corner/Living only in the corner
形が崩れたForm is lost/The shape is destroyed
形に似て非Non-similar to form/Looks like good shape but is a mistake
形の常識Common sense of the form/Common-sense about shape
形を決めるI decide the shape/Settles the shape
経路図Route map/Diagram of moves so far
激闘 Fierce fight/Severe fight
欠点が出ているDrawback is out/A flaw emerges
決まりがつかないDetermined does not stick/Remains unsettled
嫌なムード Unpleasant mood/Unpleasant feeling
嫌な局面Unpleasant aspects/Unwelcome position
見合いだがBut it is commensurate/Miai alternatives but...
厳しい攻め Severe attack/Severe attack
厳しい打ち込み The driving severe/Severe invasion
互先 Even game/Even game handicap
呉清源先生の六子局Six sub-station of Go Seigen teacher/Six-stone game with master Go Seigen
碁はバランス Go s balance/Go is about balance
厚みの影響力 Influence of the thickness/The influential power of thickness
攻めAttack/Attack
攻めが基調Attack is keynote/Attack is the basis
攻めてはみたが... Although expected to be attacked…/Tried attacking but...
攻めの基本Basic aggressive/The basics of attack
攻める石にツケるな Like it attached to the stone attack/Don’t attach to stones you are attacking
攻め中断Attack interruption/Attack interrupted
甲州の親分の三子局Triplets station boss of Koshu/Three-stone game with the Koshu boss [= Hoshino Toshi]
黒、頑張る Black, work hard/Black is feisty
黒３とツメて十分 Te enough nails and black 3/Checking at Black 3 is sufficient
黒苦戦 Black struggle/Hard fight for Black
黒番Black n umber/Black to play
今少し穏やかに Gently a little now/Now a little too gentle
差し手争いPointing hand fight/Hand to hand fight
再び九子局Nine slave station again/Again a nine-stone game
細碁 Narrow go/Close game
錯覚Illusion/Hallucination
三子の効力失う Lose efficacy of triplets/Loses the effectiveness of the three stones
参考になるサバキ Judgment it would be helpful/A text-book sabaki
枝葉は捨てる I throw away the branches and leaves/Discards the branches and leaves
死活の認識Recognition of life and death/Recognition of life and death
次の狙いがない There is no aim of the following/There is no follow-up aim
攻めているつもり？ Going to have attack/Intending to attack?
失敗Failure/Failure
捨て石Riprap/Sacrifice stones
捨小就大[no output]/Sacrifice small, take big
弱気で攻め損なうI hurt attack by bearish/Attacking fails because of weak spirit
弱点を見極めるI discern a weakness/Probes for the weak points
守りだけ /Only defense/Only defence
手筋に似て非Non-similar to tactical move/Looks like a tesuji but is a mistake
手厚い形勢Hospitable situation/Thick position
重いHeavy/Is heavy
序盤戦の布石構想Stepping stone concept of early stage of a campaign/Fuseki ideas in opening battles
正解Correct answer/Right answer
石が逆 Stone reverse/Stones face wrong way
石の軽重 Light and heavy stone/Relative importance of stones
石の方向 Direction of the stone/Direction of play
積極的な好手 Good move aggressive/Positive good move
全局的に手厚い/The generous manner to all stations/Is thick over the whole board
狙いが外れるAim is outside/The aim is off
相談碁 Go consultation/Consultation game
打ちにくい碁 Go is hard to beat/A game difficult to play
大斜を誤る I mistake the large oblique/Making a mistake in the taisha
大斜百変Hundred change 100 large oblique/100 variations of taisha
第２章 Chapter 2/Chapter 2
第一題First problem/Problem 1
単にアテでは... At the destination simply…/If simply the atari...
恥ずかしい碁 Embarrassing go/Shameful game
着手の方向 Direction of launch/Direction of play
中盤のポイント Middle point of/Keypoint of the middle game
中盤戦への視点 Perspective on middle game/Focus on middle-game fighting
調子が悪いOut of whack/The momentum is poor
直ちにカカりたいI want to Ri Kaka immediately/Should approach immediately
定石も時によりけり Standard tactics also yorikeri at/Josekis also depend on the time
踏み込み不足 Depression shortage/Insufficient penetration
踏ん張る所 Place to hold out/Place to make a stand
働きの無い石 Stone without working/Stones that have no effect
得をしていない Has not been obtained the/Makes no profit
特殊な型 Partcular type/special shape
読み不足 Lack of reading/Insufficient reading
二間高バサミ Between two high- shears/Two-space high pincer
二連星と呼応 Concert with two binary star/Acting in concert with the nirensei
配石を生かす I take advantage of the distribution stone/Activating the arrangement of the stones
白、ヨミ損じ White, Sonji Reading/White miscalculates
白に楽をさせた I was comfortable in the White/Has allowed White to be at ease
白は余裕ができるWhite can afford/For White composure is possible
白治まる Subside White/White settles himself
不急の愚形Bad shape of non-urgent/Non-urgent bad shape
浮き石となるIt is floating stone/Becomes a floating group
本因坊直系の指導碁Teaching game of Honinbo lineal/Teaching game with direct successor of the Honinbo family
無難な進行 Safe progress/Safe sequence
無用の頑張り The hard work useless/Useless tenacity
目論見、水の泡 Prospects, naught/Plans turn to nothing
問題のノビ Novi problem/Questionable extension
利かし Forcing move/Forcing move
流れるような構図 Composition, such as flowing/A plan that seems to flow
力戦派の面目 Face of war faction/Characteristic of the hard-fighting brigade
六子以上の定石 The Art of six children or more/Joseki for six stones and above
白死 White death/White dies
白の侵入は無理Intrusion of white wonder/White’s invasion is unreasonable
白を撃退 To repel white/Repulsing White
出を決めても When you decide to leave/Even if he decides on the push-out
急所のアテコミ Wedging in Key points/Atekomi is the vital point
脱出 Escape/Escape
ハサミツケ Hasimtuske/Clamp
ソイも Also Soi/The soi too
攻め合い勝ち Winning attack each other/Wins the capturing race
トビの形 Form of tobi/Good shape with the jump
手をつけると If you put your hand/If a move is to be added
形が戻る Form returns/The shape reverts
オキ Oki/Placement
根拠 Basis/Base
カケ Bet/Press
妥協 Compromise/Compromise
白のシノギ Surpass white/White manages to live
一つのワカレ Farewell of one/One division of the spoils
黒まあまあ Mediocre black/Black OK
白ツブレ White crushed/White crushed
白がんばり過ぎ Too do my best white/White tries too hard
白の最強 Strongest of white/White’s strongest resistance
ツケからの攻防 Offense and defense from the charge account/Attack and defence after the attachment
白は生きるが White is live/White lives, but...
同じくツブレ Collapse also/Similarly crushed
隅を生きてくれば However, as you live the corner/If he allows life in the corner
黒十分 Black enough/Satisfactory for Black
守り方 How tp protect/A way to defend
サガリで取れる I take on the falling/Captured by the descent
遠慮 /Reserve/Diffidence

While interesting, I don't think this is the ideal way to approach a machine translation problem or to evaluate the "state of the art." The first question is: how much better would your results be if you sent each heading to an independent human translator and provided no context that it was about translating a go book? The humans would still do better, but you would doubtless get many hilarious translations. Of course it would be silly to cripple human translators this way.

What may not be so clear is that it is becoming less and less justifiable to cripple machine translation by withholding context. The machine translation can be improved by using a domain-specific vocabulary and context, among other things. This is used in a number of fields, notably medicine. Now it takes some work to build up a nice corpus of cues, specialized terms and weightings, but every project has to start somewhere.

As a language and go translation expert, if you collaborate with a natural language processing expert, you might be able to produce something great, learn more about what the state of the art really is, and maybe even help advance it. If you are serious I can try to put in contact with some researchers.

I thought I would test the state of the art

It's a mess. An example from Irish that tricks it up terribly:

"Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bhualadh" is correctly translated to "You want to hit the dogs."

"Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" ("a bhualadh" is "to hit" but "le bualadh" is "to meet" so this is a bad mistake but understandable but how "na madraí" which is always "the dogs" becomes "the dog" in the second statement is beyond me).

"Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh" would be "You want to meet the dog." You can see how a beginner could mix these up but a translation problem shouldn't be screwing up singular/plural of common regular nouns.

"Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog"

Boidhre wrote:

"Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog"

Does the punctuation have to do with anything?

Code:

Input                                   Google translate output:
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh.     You want to meet the dog.
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh      You want the dog to meet
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh?     You want to meet the dog?
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh!     You want to meet the dogs!
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh,     You want to meet the dog,
Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh;     You want to meet the dog;

Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh.     You want to meet the dog.
Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh      You want the dog to meet
Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh?     You want to meet the dog?
Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh!     You want to meet the dog!
Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh,     You want to meet the dog,
Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh;     You want to meet the dog;

( Boidhre, I speak zero Irish. )

Unless it's a case of a noun that is spelled the same as a verb, like 'record', this seems like a really basic and bizarre mistake.

Code:

Input                         Google translate output:

Time flies like an arrow.     時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。
Fruit flies like a banana.    果蠅像一個香蕉。

時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。           Time flies like an arrow.
果蠅像一個香蕉。                  Fruit flies like a banana.

時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。           Time flies like an arrow.
時間過得很慢，像一個箭頭。           Time is too slow, like an arrow.
時間過得很慢，像一個蘋果。           Time is too slow, like an apple.
時間過得很慢，像兩個蘋果。           Time passed very slowly, like two apples.
時間過得很慢，像三個蘋果。           Time is too slow, like three apples.
時間過得很慢，像八億個蘋果。          Time is too slow, like eight hundred million apples.
時間過得很快，像兩個箭頭。           Time flies like two arrows.
時間過得很快，像一雙箭頭。           Time flies like a pair of arrows.
時間過得很快，像一百個箭頭。         Time flies like one hundred arrows.
時間過得很快，像一千個箭頭。          Time flies like one thousand arrows.
時間過得很快，像一萬個箭頭。          Time flies like ten thousand arrows.
時間過得很快，像十萬個箭頭。          Time flies like one hundred thousand arrows.
時間過得很快，像一百萬個箭頭。        Time flies like one million arrow.
時間過得很快，像一千萬個箭頭。        Time flies like ten million arrow.
時間過得很快，像八億個箭頭。          Time flies like eight hundred million arrow.
時間過得真快，像一個箭頭。           Time flies like an arrow.
時間過得不快，像一個箭頭。           Time flies fast, like an arrow.
時間過得很普通，像一個箭頭。         Time had a very ordinary, like an arrow.
時間很快，像一個箭頭。             Time soon, like an arrow.
時間過得很快很快，像一個箭頭。      Time flies quickly, like an arrow.
時間過得非常快，像一個箭頭。       Time flies very fast, like an arrow.

"Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog"

Boidhre, did you try the button "Rate translation" ?

Yes, but it's rather pointless. "Not helpful", "Helpful" and "Offensive" aren't very useful tags.

Author:	John Fairbairn [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:49 am ]
Post subject:	Go translation - is Google enough?
I was toying with the idea of putting together a module that would enable users to translate headings in Japanese go books, on the assumption that a rather high percentage of information can be gleaned from the headings alone (e.g. Heading: White's attack fails; Body text: If White plays 1, Black jumps to 2 and runs away. White can try chasing at 3 but after Back 4 he has no follow-up.) Of course, the method can be applied to body text, too, though with some major reservations - headings use a smallish subset of the whole grammar and often employ special disambiguation techniques to compensate for the lack of the context that body text has. But before I wedge my thinking cap on firmly, I thought I would test the state of the art in case my efforts prove to be wasted. I therefore took a whole Japanese book and part of another and translated all the headings. This was very much an instant translation, without reading the body text, although my eye would naturally pick up some useful peripheral data. I then put each heading into Google translate. The results are given below: heading text, Google version/my version. Google of course does not have a dedicated go dictionary, but that to one side, what do you think of its results? Usable? Likely to improve substantially soon? Worth me dusting off my thinking cap? I should add that my method would not produce translations. It would produce all syntactically viable options and have a dedicated dictionary with transformation rules, but the final decision on wording would be down to the human. Must add that Google's 'slave station' for a handicap game has certain possibilities... うるさくなった Became annoyingly/Has become vexing お手並み拝見 You wait and look/Issuing a challenge かなりの打ち手 Hand out a lot of/A considerable player しっかりした布石 Strategic move was firm/Solid fuseki とらえどころがない Elusive/There is nothing to get hold of どう決める How do I decide/How to settle まず九子局から From nine first slave station/First starting with a nine-stone game めり込んだ It sinks/Caved in territory もたついた Was tan gled /Is inefficient もつれてきた Have been entangled/It has become complicated ゆっくりした布石 Strategic move was slowly/Slow-paced fuseki ゆるんでいる Loose/Slacks off よく現れる局面 Aspect that appears well/A position that often appears アマの着想Idea of flax/The amateur’s idea シノギ Tiding over/Making life スソ空きは囲うな THe opening on the side Na Fencing/Don’t surround open skirts ダメ場へ石がいった Stone said to no good place/The stones went to a wasteland ノゾキは大悪手 Except for large bad move/The peep is a very bad move バランスが悪い Imbalances/The balance is bad プロの感覚 Sense of professional/The pro’s feeling ボウシにケイマ The knight hat/Knight’s moves against caps ポピュラーな型 Type popular/Popular pattern ヨセの手 Hand of Joses/Boundary-play move 位が低くなった In is lower/The position has become low 異筋Different muscle/Wrong way 三子局用のじょうせき Castle Ruins of triplets station /A joseki for three-stone games 悩ましい一手Seductive one hand /Lackadaisical move 一筋縄ではいかないIt does not go straightforward /Doesn’t work with ordinary means 一歩もゆるまずWill not loosen from one step /Does not yield even one step 右か左か Right or left/Right or left? 下手の負けるパターンPattern of poor lose/Pattern in which the weaker player loses 怪しい雲行き Suspicious turn of affairs/Dubious turn of affairs 楽をさせた Was the easy/Has allowed opponent] to be at ease 簡明策 Straightforward measures/Simplicity policy 緩着 Wearing loose/Slack move 頑張り過ぎ Work too hard/Too feisty 基本知識の欠如Lack of basic knowledge /Lack of basic knowledge 寄り道Dropping in on the way/Detour 機略に富んだボウシHat-rich resourceful/Cap rich in resourcefulness 気合の目外しRemove eyes yell/Spirited mokuhazushi 強気のハサミScissors bullish/Powerful pincer 凝り形Stiffness form/Overconcentrated shape 筋違いIllogical/Wrong way 隅だけで生きThe live only corner/Living only in the corner 形が崩れたForm is lost/The shape is destroyed 形に似て非Non-similar to form/Looks like good shape but is a mistake 形の常識Common sense of the form/Common-sense about shape 形を決めるI decide the shape/Settles the shape 経路図Route map/Diagram of moves so far 激闘 Fierce fight/Severe fight 欠点が出ているDrawback is out/A flaw emerges 決まりがつかないDetermined does not stick/Remains unsettled 嫌なムード Unpleasant mood/Unpleasant feeling 嫌な局面Unpleasant aspects/Unwelcome position 見合いだがBut it is commensurate/Miai alternatives but... 厳しい攻め Severe attack/Severe attack 厳しい打ち込み The driving severe/Severe invasion 互先 Even game/Even game handicap 呉清源先生の六子局Six sub-station of Go Seigen teacher/Six-stone game with master Go Seigen 碁はバランス Go s balance/Go is about balance 厚みの影響力 Influence of the thickness/The influential power of thickness 攻めAttack/Attack 攻めが基調Attack is keynote/Attack is the basis 攻めてはみたが... Although expected to be attacked…/Tried attacking but... 攻めの基本Basic aggressive/The basics of attack 攻める石にツケるな Like it attached to the stone attack/Don’t attach to stones you are attacking 攻め中断Attack interruption/Attack interrupted 甲州の親分の三子局Triplets station boss of Koshu/Three-stone game with the Koshu boss [= Hoshino Toshi] 黒、頑張る Black, work hard/Black is feisty 黒３とツメて十分 Te enough nails and black 3/Checking at Black 3 is sufficient 黒苦戦 Black struggle/Hard fight for Black 黒番Black n umber/Black to play 今少し穏やかに Gently a little now/Now a little too gentle 差し手争いPointing hand fight/Hand to hand fight 再び九子局Nine slave station again/Again a nine-stone game 細碁 Narrow go/Close game 錯覚Illusion/Hallucination 三子の効力失う Lose efficacy of triplets/Loses the effectiveness of the three stones 参考になるサバキ Judgment it would be helpful/A text-book sabaki 枝葉は捨てる I throw away the branches and leaves/Discards the branches and leaves 死活の認識Recognition of life and death/Recognition of life and death 次の狙いがない There is no aim of the following/There is no follow-up aim 攻めているつもり？ Going to have attack/Intending to attack? 失敗Failure/Failure 捨て石Riprap/Sacrifice stones 捨小就大[no output]/Sacrifice small, take big 弱気で攻め損なうI hurt attack by bearish/Attacking fails because of weak spirit 弱点を見極めるI discern a weakness/Probes for the weak points 守りだけ /Only defense/Only defence 手筋に似て非Non-similar to tactical move/Looks like a tesuji but is a mistake 手厚い形勢Hospitable situation/Thick position 重いHeavy/Is heavy 序盤戦の布石構想Stepping stone concept of early stage of a campaign/Fuseki ideas in opening battles 正解Correct answer/Right answer 石が逆 Stone reverse/Stones face wrong way 石の軽重 Light and heavy stone/Relative importance of stones 石の方向 Direction of the stone/Direction of play 積極的な好手 Good move aggressive/Positive good move 全局的に手厚い/The generous manner to all stations/Is thick over the whole board 狙いが外れるAim is outside/The aim is off 相談碁 Go consultation/Consultation game 打ちにくい碁 Go is hard to beat/A game difficult to play 大斜を誤る I mistake the large oblique/Making a mistake in the taisha 大斜百変Hundred change 100 large oblique/100 variations of taisha 第２章 Chapter 2/Chapter 2 第一題First problem/Problem 1 単にアテでは... At the destination simply…/If simply the atari... 恥ずかしい碁 Embarrassing go/Shameful game 着手の方向 Direction of launch/Direction of play 中盤のポイント Middle point of/Keypoint of the middle game 中盤戦への視点 Perspective on middle game/Focus on middle-game fighting 調子が悪いOut of whack/The momentum is poor 直ちにカカりたいI want to Ri Kaka immediately/Should approach immediately 定石も時によりけり Standard tactics also yorikeri at/Josekis also depend on the time 踏み込み不足 Depression shortage/Insufficient penetration 踏ん張る所 Place to hold out/Place to make a stand 働きの無い石 Stone without working/Stones that have no effect 得をしていない Has not been obtained the/Makes no profit 特殊な型 Partcular type/special shape 読み不足 Lack of reading/Insufficient reading 二間高バサミ Between two high- shears/Two-space high pincer 二連星と呼応 Concert with two binary star/Acting in concert with the nirensei 配石を生かす I take advantage of the distribution stone/Activating the arrangement of the stones 白、ヨミ損じ White, Sonji Reading/White miscalculates 白に楽をさせた I was comfortable in the White/Has allowed White to be at ease 白は余裕ができるWhite can afford/For White composure is possible 白治まる Subside White/White settles himself 不急の愚形Bad shape of non-urgent/Non-urgent bad shape 浮き石となるIt is floating stone/Becomes a floating group 本因坊直系の指導碁Teaching game of Honinbo lineal/Teaching game with direct successor of the Honinbo family 無難な進行 Safe progress/Safe sequence 無用の頑張り The hard work useless/Useless tenacity 目論見、水の泡 Prospects, naught/Plans turn to nothing 問題のノビ Novi problem/Questionable extension 利かし Forcing move/Forcing move 流れるような構図 Composition, such as flowing/A plan that seems to flow 力戦派の面目 Face of war faction/Characteristic of the hard-fighting brigade 六子以上の定石 The Art of six children or more/Joseki for six stones and above 白死 White death/White dies 白の侵入は無理Intrusion of white wonder/White’s invasion is unreasonable 白を撃退 To repel white/Repulsing White 出を決めても When you decide to leave/Even if he decides on the push-out 急所のアテコミ Wedging in Key points/Atekomi is the vital point 脱出 Escape/Escape ハサミツケ Hasimtuske/Clamp ソイも Also Soi/The soi too 攻め合い勝ち Winning attack each other/Wins the capturing race トビの形 Form of tobi/Good shape with the jump 手をつけると If you put your hand/If a move is to be added 形が戻る Form returns/The shape reverts オキ Oki/Placement 根拠 Basis/Base カケ Bet/Press 妥協 Compromise/Compromise 白のシノギ Surpass white/White manages to live 一つのワカレ Farewell of one/One division of the spoils 黒まあまあ Mediocre black/Black OK 白ツブレ White crushed/White crushed 白がんばり過ぎ Too do my best white/White tries too hard 白の最強 Strongest of white/White’s strongest resistance ツケからの攻防 Offense and defense from the charge account/Attack and defence after the attachment 白は生きるが White is live/White lives, but... 同じくツブレ Collapse also/Similarly crushed 隅を生きてくれば However, as you live the corner/If he allows life in the corner 黒十分 Black enough/Satisfactory for Black 守り方 How tp protect/A way to defend サガリで取れる I take on the falling/Captured by the descent 遠慮 /Reserve/Diffidence

Author:	daal [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
Google seems to have quite a bit of trouble with the headings of more than two or three words. Despite a few quirks such as expressing the heading in the first person (I throw away the branches and leaves) or grammatical nonsense: (Stone without working) or getting some things exactly backwards (黒まあまあ Mediocre black/Black OK) I found about 1 in 4 to make enough sense to be of use. Of these, I particularly liked: もつれてきた Have been entangled and 石の方向 Direction of the stone. Here are the ones I found to be halfway acceptable: うるさくなった Became annoyingly/Has become vexing もつれてきた Have been entangled/It has become complicated ダメ場へ石がいった Stone said to no good place/The stones went to a wasteland バランスが悪い Imbalances/The balance is bad プロの感覚 Sense of professional/The pro’s feeling ポピュラーな型 Type popular/Popular pattern 右か左か Right or left/Right or left? 怪しい雲行き Suspicious turn of affairs/Dubious turn of affairs 簡明策 Straightforward measures/Simplicity policy 基本知識の欠如Lack of basic knowledge /Lack of basic knowledge 形が崩れたForm is lost/The shape is destroyed 形の常識Common sense of the form/Common-sense about shape 激闘 Fierce fight/Severe fight 嫌なムード Unpleasant mood/Unpleasant feeling 嫌な局面Unpleasant aspects/Unwelcome position 厳しい攻め Severe attack/Severe attack 厚みの影響力 Influence of the thickness/The influential power of thickness 攻めAttack/Attack 攻めが基調Attack is keynote/Attack is the basis 攻め中断Attack interruption/Attack interrupted 黒苦戦 Black struggle/Hard fight for Black 錯覚Illusion/Hallucination 枝葉は捨てる I throw away the branches and leaves/Discards the branches and leaves 死活の認識Recognition of life and death/Recognition of life and death 攻めているつもり？ Going to have attack/Intending to attack? 失敗Failure/Failure 弱点を見極めるI discern a weakness/Probes for the weak points 守りだけ /Only defense/Only defence 重いHeavy/Is heavy 正解Correct answer/Right answer 石の方向 Direction of the stone/Direction of play 積極的な好手 Good move aggressive/Positive good move 第２章 Chapter 2/Chapter 2 第一題First problem/Problem 1 恥ずかしい碁 Embarrassing go/Shameful game 中盤戦への視点 Perspective on middle game/Focus on middle-game fighting 働きの無い石 Stone without working/Stones that have no effect 特殊な型 Partcular type/special shape 読み不足 Lack of reading/Insufficient reading 白に楽をさせた I was comfortable in the White/Has allowed White to be at ease 利かし Forcing move/Forcing move 白死 White death/White dies 白を撃退 To repel white/Repulsing White ソイも Also Soi/The soi too 形が戻る Form returns/The shape reverts 妥協 Compromise/Compromise 白ツブレ White crushed/White crushed 白の最強 Strongest of white/White’s strongest resistance 同じくツブレ Collapse also/Similarly crushed 黒十分 Black enough/Satisfactory for Black

Author:	gowan [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
John Fairbairn wrote: I was toying with the idea of putting together a module that would enable users to translate headings in Japanese go books, on the assumption that a rather high percentage of information can be gleaned from the headings alone (e.g. Heading: White's attack fails; Body text: If White plays 1, Black jumps to 2 and runs away. White can try chasing at 3 but after Back 4 he has no follow-up.) Of course, the method can be applied to body text, too, though with some major reservations - headings use a smallish subset of the whole grammar and often employ special disambiguation techniques to compensate for the lack of the context that body text has. But before I wedge my thinking cap on firmly, I thought I would test the state of the art in case my efforts prove to be wasted. I therefore took a whole Japanese book and part of another and translated all the headings. This was very much an instant translation, without reading the body text, although my eye would naturally pick up some useful peripheral data. I then put each heading into Google translate. The results are given below: heading text, Google version/my version. Google of course does not have a dedicated go dictionary, but that to one side, what do you think of its results? Usable? Likely to improve substantially soon? Worth me dusting off my thinking cap? I should add that my method would not produce translations. It would produce all syntactically viable options and have a dedicated dictionary with transformation rules, but the final decision on wording would be down to the human. Must add that Google's 'slave station' for a handicap game has certain possibilities... うるさくなった Became annoyingly/Has become vexing お手並み拝見 You wait and look/Issuing a challenge かなりの打ち手 Hand out a lot of/A considerable player しっかりした布石 Strategic move was firm/Solid fuseki とらえどころがない Elusive/There is nothing to get hold of どう決める How do I decide/How to settle まず九子局から From nine first slave station/First starting with a nine-stone game めり込んだ It sinks/Caved in territory もたついた Was tan gled /Is inefficient もつれてきた Have been entangled/It has become complicated ゆっくりした布石 Strategic move was slowly/Slow-paced fuseki ゆるんでいる Loose/Slacks off よく現れる局面 Aspect that appears well/A position that often appears アマの着想Idea of flax/The amateur’s idea シノギ Tiding over/Making life スソ空きは囲うな THe opening on the side Na Fencing/Don’t surround open skirts ダメ場へ石がいった Stone said to no good place/The stones went to a wasteland ノゾキは大悪手 Except for large bad move/The peep is a very bad move バランスが悪い Imbalances/The balance is bad プロの感覚 Sense of professional/The pro’s feeling ボウシにケイマ The knight hat/Knight’s moves against caps ポピュラーな型 Type popular/Popular pattern ヨセの手 Hand of Joses/Boundary-play move 位が低くなった In is lower/The position has become low 異筋Different muscle/Wrong way 三子局用のじょうせき Castle Ruins of triplets station /A joseki for three-stone games 悩ましい一手Seductive one hand /Lackadaisical move 一筋縄ではいかないIt does not go straightforward /Doesn’t work with ordinary means 一歩もゆるまずWill not loosen from one step /Does not yield even one step 右か左か Right or left/Right or left? 下手の負けるパターンPattern of poor lose/Pattern in which the weaker player loses 怪しい雲行き Suspicious turn of affairs/Dubious turn of affairs 楽をさせた Was the easy/Has allowed opponent] to be at ease 簡明策 Straightforward measures/Simplicity policy 緩着 Wearing loose/Slack move 頑張り過ぎ Work too hard/Too feisty 基本知識の欠如Lack of basic knowledge /Lack of basic knowledge 寄り道Dropping in on the way/Detour 機略に富んだボウシHat-rich resourceful/Cap rich in resourcefulness 気合の目外しRemove eyes yell/Spirited mokuhazushi 強気のハサミScissors bullish/Powerful pincer 凝り形Stiffness form/Overconcentrated shape 筋違いIllogical/Wrong way 隅だけで生きThe live only corner/Living only in the corner 形が崩れたForm is lost/The shape is destroyed 形に似て非Non-similar to form/Looks like good shape but is a mistake 形の常識Common sense of the form/Common-sense about shape 形を決めるI decide the shape/Settles the shape 経路図Route map/Diagram of moves so far 激闘 Fierce fight/Severe fight 欠点が出ているDrawback is out/A flaw emerges 決まりがつかないDetermined does not stick/Remains unsettled 嫌なムード Unpleasant mood/Unpleasant feeling 嫌な局面Unpleasant aspects/Unwelcome position 見合いだがBut it is commensurate/Miai alternatives but... 厳しい攻め Severe attack/Severe attack 厳しい打ち込み The driving severe/Severe invasion 互先 Even game/Even game handicap 呉清源先生の六子局Six sub-station of Go Seigen teacher/Six-stone game with master Go Seigen 碁はバランス Go s balance/Go is about balance 厚みの影響力 Influence of the thickness/The influential power of thickness 攻めAttack/Attack 攻めが基調Attack is keynote/Attack is the basis 攻めてはみたが... Although expected to be attacked…/Tried attacking but... 攻めの基本Basic aggressive/The basics of attack 攻める石にツケるな Like it attached to the stone attack/Don’t attach to stones you are attacking 攻め中断Attack interruption/Attack interrupted 甲州の親分の三子局Triplets station boss of Koshu/Three-stone game with the Koshu boss [= Hoshino Toshi] 黒、頑張る Black, work hard/Black is feisty 黒３とツメて十分 Te enough nails and black 3/Checking at Black 3 is sufficient 黒苦戦 Black struggle/Hard fight for Black 黒番Black n umber/Black to play 今少し穏やかに Gently a little now/Now a little too gentle 差し手争いPointing hand fight/Hand to hand fight 再び九子局Nine slave station again/Again a nine-stone game 細碁 Narrow go/Close game 錯覚Illusion/Hallucination 三子の効力失う Lose efficacy of triplets/Loses the effectiveness of the three stones 参考になるサバキ Judgment it would be helpful/A text-book sabaki 枝葉は捨てる I throw away the branches and leaves/Discards the branches and leaves 死活の認識Recognition of life and death/Recognition of life and death 次の狙いがない There is no aim of the following/There is no follow-up aim 攻めているつもり？ Going to have attack/Intending to attack? 失敗Failure/Failure 捨て石Riprap/Sacrifice stones 捨小就大[no output]/Sacrifice small, take big 弱気で攻め損なうI hurt attack by bearish/Attacking fails because of weak spirit 弱点を見極めるI discern a weakness/Probes for the weak points 守りだけ /Only defense/Only defence 手筋に似て非Non-similar to tactical move/Looks like a tesuji but is a mistake 手厚い形勢Hospitable situation/Thick position 重いHeavy/Is heavy 序盤戦の布石構想Stepping stone concept of early stage of a campaign/Fuseki ideas in opening battles 正解Correct answer/Right answer 石が逆 Stone reverse/Stones face wrong way 石の軽重 Light and heavy stone/Relative importance of stones 石の方向 Direction of the stone/Direction of play 積極的な好手 Good move aggressive/Positive good move 全局的に手厚い/The generous manner to all stations/Is thick over the whole board 狙いが外れるAim is outside/The aim is off 相談碁 Go consultation/Consultation game 打ちにくい碁 Go is hard to beat/A game difficult to play 大斜を誤る I mistake the large oblique/Making a mistake in the taisha 大斜百変Hundred change 100 large oblique/100 variations of taisha 第２章 Chapter 2/Chapter 2 第一題First problem/Problem 1 単にアテでは... At the destination simply…/If simply the atari... 恥ずかしい碁 Embarrassing go/Shameful game 着手の方向 Direction of launch/Direction of play 中盤のポイント Middle point of/Keypoint of the middle game 中盤戦への視点 Perspective on middle game/Focus on middle-game fighting 調子が悪いOut of whack/The momentum is poor 直ちにカカりたいI want to Ri Kaka immediately/Should approach immediately 定石も時によりけり Standard tactics also yorikeri at/Josekis also depend on the time 踏み込み不足 Depression shortage/Insufficient penetration 踏ん張る所 Place to hold out/Place to make a stand 働きの無い石 Stone without working/Stones that have no effect 得をしていない Has not been obtained the/Makes no profit 特殊な型 Partcular type/special shape 読み不足 Lack of reading/Insufficient reading 二間高バサミ Between two high- shears/Two-space high pincer 二連星と呼応 Concert with two binary star/Acting in concert with the nirensei 配石を生かす I take advantage of the distribution stone/Activating the arrangement of the stones 白、ヨミ損じ White, Sonji Reading/White miscalculates 白に楽をさせた I was comfortable in the White/Has allowed White to be at ease 白は余裕ができるWhite can afford/For White composure is possible 白治まる Subside White/White settles himself 不急の愚形Bad shape of non-urgent/Non-urgent bad shape 浮き石となるIt is floating stone/Becomes a floating group 本因坊直系の指導碁Teaching game of Honinbo lineal/Teaching game with direct successor of the Honinbo family 無難な進行 Safe progress/Safe sequence 無用の頑張り The hard work useless/Useless tenacity 目論見、水の泡 Prospects, naught/Plans turn to nothing 問題のノビ Novi problem/Questionable extension 利かし Forcing move/Forcing move 流れるような構図 Composition, such as flowing/A plan that seems to flow 力戦派の面目 Face of war faction/Characteristic of the hard-fighting brigade 六子以上の定石 The Art of six children or more/Joseki for six stones and above 白死 White death/White dies 白の侵入は無理Intrusion of white wonder/White’s invasion is unreasonable 白を撃退 To repel white/Repulsing White 出を決めても When you decide to leave/Even if he decides on the push-out 急所のアテコミ Wedging in Key points/Atekomi is the vital point 脱出 Escape/Escape ハサミツケ Hasimtuske/Clamp ソイも Also Soi/The soi too 攻め合い勝ち Winning attack each other/Wins the capturing race トビの形 Form of tobi/Good shape with the jump 手をつけると If you put your hand/If a move is to be added 形が戻る Form returns/The shape reverts オキ Oki/Placement 根拠 Basis/Base カケ Bet/Press 妥協 Compromise/Compromise 白のシノギ Surpass white/White manages to live 一つのワカレ Farewell of one/One division of the spoils 黒まあまあ Mediocre black/Black OK 白ツブレ White crushed/White crushed 白がんばり過ぎ Too do my best white/White tries too hard 白の最強 Strongest of white/White’s strongest resistance ツケからの攻防 Offense and defense from the charge account/Attack and defence after the attachment 白は生きるが White is live/White lives, but... 同じくツブレ Collapse also/Similarly crushed 隅を生きてくれば However, as you live the corner/If he allows life in the corner 黒十分 Black enough/Satisfactory for Black 守り方 How tp protect/A way to defend サガリで取れる I take on the falling/Captured by the descent 遠慮 /Reserve/Diffidence Some of the Google translations are pretty good but I think many of them would not be understood by weaker players. In other words, if you already understand the go meaning you can understand the Google-translated heading but if you aren't familiar with it it might be confusing.

Author:	snorri [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
While interesting, I don't think this is the ideal way to approach a machine translation problem or to evaluate the "state of the art." The first question is: how much better would your results be if you sent each heading to an independent human translator and provided no context that it was about translating a go book? The humans would still do better, but you would doubtless get many hilarious translations. Of course it would be silly to cripple human translators this way. What may not be so clear is that it is becoming less and less justifiable to cripple machine translation by withholding context. The machine translation can be improved by using a domain-specific vocabulary and context, among other things. This is used in a number of fields, notably medicine. Now it takes some work to build up a nice corpus of cues, specialized terms and weightings, but every project has to start somewhere. As a language and go translation expert, if you collaborate with a natural language processing expert, you might be able to produce something great, learn more about what the state of the art really is, and maybe even help advance it. If you are serious I can try to put in contact with some researchers.

Author:	SmoothOper [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
snorri wrote: While interesting, I don't think this is the ideal way to approach a machine translation problem or to evaluate the "state of the art." The first question is: how much better would your results be if you sent each heading to an independent human translator and provided no context that it was about translating a go book? The humans would still do better, but you would doubtless get many hilarious translations. Of course it would be silly to cripple human translators this way. What may not be so clear is that it is becoming less and less justifiable to cripple machine translation by withholding context. The machine translation can be improved by using a domain-specific vocabulary and context, among other things. This is used in a number of fields, notably medicine. Now it takes some work to build up a nice corpus of cues, specialized terms and weightings, but every project has to start somewhere. As a language and go translation expert, if you collaborate with a natural language processing expert, you might be able to produce something great, learn more about what the state of the art really is, and maybe even help advance it. If you are serious I can try to put in contact with some researchers. That is good point, many human translators don't get it correct when it comes to go terms either. I have been looking at various problem books offered by yesasia, and many of the translations are quite interesting for example it took me a while to figure out they were calling joseki jesoeki, I also quite often have google translate a page and often the reviews from Amazon Japan. One thing I think is funny, is how plainly the denigrations come through when all other content is hopelessly mangled, many of the translated reviews read like this for example: Blah blah... Strategic theory ignorant... I can recommend this book because blah blah opening is worthless blah blah stupid blah blah dumb....

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Author:	Cassandra [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
Some comments of mine, despite I am neither a native speaker of English nor of Japanese. But sometimes I have the feeling that a native speaker (of one of both languages only !!!) might be "too deep inside" with translation issues like this one here, while a non-native speaker will have similar problems with either of both languages. First of all -- as snorri already mentioned -- you must not forget at all that there is a issue-related (here "Go") specific vocabulary. Another idea might be to let Google "re-translate", and to see what happens. In many cases, there might be a "n to m relationship" between a term in English and a term in Japanese. This means that a single English term might have n expressiones in Japanese, while the choosen Japanese translation (1 of n) might have m expressions in English. In my opinion, if you let translate an English text into Japanese, and thereafter let re-translate the Japanese result into English, and the resulting English text is quite similar to the English original, we can assume that this text is similar to "common usage". Additionally, one must be aware not to overstress the own knowledge of context. Let me explain this with one example. "白の最強" literally translated with only my rudimental knowledge of Japanese gives something like "highest/most strong of White". Google translate results in "Strongest of white", of course not knowing that "white" is used as a proper name, so assuming the colour here. John's translation is "White’s strongest resistance", but perhaps this is overdoing things (i.e. overstressing the knowledge of contents) ? Google translate's result of "White's strongest resistance" in Japanese is "ホワイト最強の抵抗". Google translate seems to have recognised that "White" has been used as a proper name, so the translation is in Katakana ""ホワイト", not the Kanji "白" for the colour. "抵抗" is new to us, and this is "resistance" in English. However, in my opinion, this addition to clarify the context is not mandatory, "move", "reply" or "answer", etc., might be possible, too.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:19 pm ]
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John Fairbairn wrote: I thought I would test the state of the art May be related: IBM Watson in medicine

Author:	hyperpape [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
I skimmed the translations, but my overall impression is that you're not out of a job yet.

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
It's a mess. An example from Irish that tricks it up terribly: "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bhualadh" is correctly translated to "You want to hit the dogs." "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" ("a bhualadh" is "to hit" but "le bualadh" is "to meet" so this is a bad mistake but understandable but how "na madraí" which is always "the dogs" becomes "the dog" in the second statement is beyond me). "Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh" would be "You want to meet the dog." You can see how a beginner could mix these up but a translation problem shouldn't be screwing up singular/plural of common regular nouns.

Author:	skydyr [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
Boidhre wrote: It's a mess. An example from Irish that tricks it up terribly: "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bhualadh" is correctly translated to "You want to hit the dogs." "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" ("a bhualadh" is "to hit" but "le bualadh" is "to meet" so this is a bad mistake but understandable but how "na madraí" which is always "the dogs" becomes "the dog" in the second statement is beyond me). "Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh" would be "You want to meet the dog." You can see how a beginner could mix these up but a translation problem shouldn't be screwing up singular/plural of common regular nouns. Unless it's a case of a noun that is spelled the same as a verb, like 'record', this seems like a really basic and bizarre mistake.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:47 pm ]
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Boidhre wrote: "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" Does the punctuation have to do with anything? Code: Input Google translate output: Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh. You want to meet the dog. Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh You want the dog to meet Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh? You want to meet the dog? Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh! You want to meet the dogs! Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh, You want to meet the dog, Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh; You want to meet the dog; Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh. You want to meet the dog. Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh You want the dog to meet Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh? You want to meet the dog? Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh! You want to meet the dog! Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh, You want to meet the dog, Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh; You want to meet the dog; ( Boidhre, I speak zero Irish. )

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:22 pm ]
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EdLee wrote: Boidhre wrote: "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" Does the punctuation have to do with anything? Code: Input Google translate output: Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh. You want to meet the dog. Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh You want the dog to meet Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh? You want to meet the dog? Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh! You want to meet the dogs! Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh, You want to meet the dog, Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh; You want to meet the dog; Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh. You want to meet the dog. Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh You want the dog to meet Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh? You want to meet the dog? Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh! You want to meet the dog! Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh, You want to meet the dog, Ba mhaith leat an madra le bualadh; You want to meet the dog; ( Boidhre, I speak zero Irish. ) No, those punctuation marks shouldn't change anything.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:25 pm ]
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Trick question. Code: Input Google translate output: Time flies like an arrow. 時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。 Fruit flies like a banana. 果蠅像一個香蕉。時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies like an arrow. 果蠅像一個香蕉。 Fruit flies like a banana. Time swims like a keyboard. 時間如鍵盤游泳。 Time sinks like a keyboard. 就像一個鍵盤的時間片。 Time eats like a keyboard. 時間就像吃鍵盤。 Time talks like a keyboard. 時間如鍵盤會談。 Time talks like a monkey. 時間像一隻猴子會談。 Time talks like a pig. 時間像豬會談。 So Google translate has special code for idioms and proverbs. We should try some Go proverbs.

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Go translation - is Google enough?
skydyr wrote: Unless it's a case of a noun that is spelled the same as a verb, like 'record', this seems like a really basic and bizarre mistake. No, it just means dog. Madraí is also unambiguous. "Na" can be ambiguous, it isn't just used for plurals, but here it shouldn't cause issues because madraí is only used with na when you want to say "the dogs." It's just really bad. It also translates English to Irish in a way that sounds like someone directly translating English word for word into Irish utterly ignoring that phrasing is a lot more different than just word order.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:54 pm ]
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Very interesting to Listen to different languages through the computer generated voices. Screenshot: Attachment: x.jpg [ 20.37 KiB \| Viewed 10238 times ]

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Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:02 pm ]
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More testing. Code: Input Google translate output: Time flies like an arrow. 時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。 Fruit flies like a banana. 果蠅像一個香蕉。時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies like an arrow. 果蠅像一個香蕉。 Fruit flies like a banana. 時間過得很快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies like an arrow. 時間過得很慢，像一個箭頭。 Time is too slow, like an arrow. 時間過得很慢，像一個蘋果。 Time is too slow, like an apple. 時間過得很慢，像兩個蘋果。 Time passed very slowly, like two apples. 時間過得很慢，像三個蘋果。 Time is too slow, like three apples. 時間過得很慢，像八億個蘋果。 Time is too slow, like eight hundred million apples. 時間過得很快，像兩個箭頭。 Time flies like two arrows. 時間過得很快，像一雙箭頭。 Time flies like a pair of arrows. 時間過得很快，像一百個箭頭。 Time flies like one hundred arrows. 時間過得很快，像一千個箭頭。 Time flies like one thousand arrows. 時間過得很快，像一萬個箭頭。 Time flies like ten thousand arrows. 時間過得很快，像十萬個箭頭。 Time flies like one hundred thousand arrows. 時間過得很快，像一百萬個箭頭。 Time flies like one million arrow. 時間過得很快，像一千萬個箭頭。 Time flies like ten million arrow. 時間過得很快，像八億個箭頭。 Time flies like eight hundred million arrow. 時間過得真快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies like an arrow. 時間過得不快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies fast, like an arrow. 時間過得很普通，像一個箭頭。 Time had a very ordinary, like an arrow. 時間很快，像一個箭頭。 Time soon, like an arrow. 時間過得很快很快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies quickly, like an arrow. 時間過得非常快，像一個箭頭。 Time flies very fast, like an arrow.

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:13 pm ]
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Boidhre wrote: "Ba mhaith leat na madraí a bualadh" is screwed up as "You want to meet the dog" Boidhre, did you try the button "Rate translation" ? Screenshot: Attachment: x.jpg [ 19.3 KiB \| Viewed 10248 times ]

Author:	Boidhre [ Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:45 pm ]
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EdLee wrote: Boidhre, did you try the button "Rate translation" ? Yes, but it's rather pointless. "Not helpful", "Helpful" and "Offensive" aren't very useful tags. If I mark it as not helpful, it's not necessarily going to be clear what I'm talking about unless they rope in a native speaker (I do know one native Irish speaker working (or at least who worked for, I haven't spoken to him in a few years) for Google but I don't think he has anything to do with this project).

Author:	EdLee [ Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:36 am ]
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Boidhre wrote: Yes, but it's rather pointless. "Not helpful", "Helpful" and "Offensive" aren't very useful tags. Yes, I agree. I was also a bit disappointed by it.