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Author: | tapia [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:32 am ] |
Post subject: | I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
Hey, guys, I don't understand how I didn't win this game. I have SO MANY stones of the board. I thought for sure I had it in the bag!! |
Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
Change the but to because. In Japanese rules if you play a stone inside your territory you lose a point. Pass instead. |
Author: | tapia [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. I quit. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
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Author: | PeterPeter [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
Go is all about the efficiency of your stones. The idea is that you should lose points if you use more stones than is really necessary to defend your territory. |
Author: | tapia [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
I get it now. Pretty beautiful idea that. |
Author: | Krama [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
Hahah.. one should learn the rules of the game before playing the game itself. |
Author: | gowan [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
There are different rule sets for go. In the Chinese rules, both "territory" and the number of living stones on the board count for points at the end of the game. For those rules you do not lose a point by playing inside your own territory (unless you deprive your group of two eyes) because though you lose one point of territory you gain one point for the additional living stone. Prisoners are not counted in Chinese rules, because each of your stones that is captured in effect reduces by one the number of living stones on the board. In Japanese rules only territory and captured stones count for points so playing unnecessarily inside your own territory loses you points. Probably more than you will want to know about these issues can be found on Sensei's Library on this page and the links there: http://senseis.xmp.net/?RulesOfGo |
Author: | DrStraw [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
tapia wrote: Hey, guys, I don't understand how I didn't win this game. I have SO MANY stones of the board. I thought for sure I had it in the bag!! You did not lose it. You won by 8.5. The score is wrong. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
First, let me say that this is why I say that when beginners play beginners, they should play by area scoring, such as the AGA rules use. Area scoring counts both live stones and territory. Under area rules there is no penalty for capturing dead stones. It is not always obvious if stones are dead, so how can beginners agree about life and death at the end of the game? Second, play with your friends, of course. ![]() ![]() Third, here are some variations. Learn the snapback. ![]() Fourth, how can I make my claim that ![]() ![]() This diagram shows the minimum number of stones to make an independently living group. It takes 6 stones in the corner, 8 stones on the edge, and 10 stones in the center. After ![]() Now, even armed with the 6-8-10 knowledge, I would not expect a rank beginner to see that Black does not have to reply to ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | S2W [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
Thinking about white's reaction put a big smile on my face. Btw E8 captures 3 more stones. Edit: As usual bill got there first with a more detailed and insightful analysis. Anyone would think he was some sort of expert. |
Author: | Abyssinica [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: I lost the game but I've got tons of stones on the board |
You forgot to play e8 |
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