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Author:  macelee [ Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Help to identify an interesting game

I found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... gJ3gcTBzqg

The two player appear to be Imamura Toshiya and Murakawa Daisuke. The tournament could be NHK Cup. But I found no games between these two player in recent years. The game cannot be too old because Murakawa is young.

The game contains a rare "ishi no shita" and I'd love to include it in my database.

Author:  amnal [ Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help to identify an interesting game

Thanks to Kombilo and GoGoD:

Quote:
Murakawa Daisuke 5d - Imamura Toshiya 9d, W+3.5 (Komi 6.5)
58th NHK Cup, Round 1, 2010-06-28 (Broadcast 2010-08-01)


And the game:


Author:  macelee [ Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help to identify an interesting game

Thanks! I actually have this game in my collection. Somehow did not find it.

Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:54 pm ]
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Am I sadistic if I enjoyed Imamura's facial expressions?

Author:  Koroviev [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:51 am ]
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Why does he bother playing A15? He clearly sees the under-the-stones play by then...what does A15 get him?

Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:10 am ]
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Koroviev wrote:
Why does he bother playing A15? He clearly sees the under-the-stones play by then...what does A15 get him?


4 captured white stones. It's a 3 point sente yose play.

Author:  Splatted [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:16 am ]
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Edit: I wrote this before Uberdude posted. It seems he counted things differently to me, but I can't see where I went wrong. I'm going to post this anyway in the hope that someone will point out my mistake.

Capturing first is 2 points better for black.

Points gained after Black A15:

White: Territory 4 + Captures 4 = 8
Black: Captures 4
Difference = 4 points

Points gained without Black A15:

White: territory 3 + Captures 3 = 6
Black: 0
Difference = 6 points


A 2 point sente is big in the end game.

Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help to identify an interesting game

Splatted, white only gets 3 points of territory when he captures 4 stones: b14 has to be filled.

Author:  Splatted [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:34 am ]
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Thanks I see it now. :D

Author:  Koroviev [ Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Help to identify an interesting game

Uberdude wrote:
Koroviev wrote:
Why does he bother playing A15? He clearly sees the under-the-stones play by then...what does A15 get him?


4 captured white stones. It's a 3 point sente yose play.


I see, thanks.

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