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Author:  John Fairbairn [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:53 am ]
Post subject:  Yi Ch'ang-ho
Yi Ch'ang-ho (35) is getting married in the autumn to a Cyberoro reporter, Yi To-yun. While that will make his mother very happy at last, the real question is what effect will it have on his results. Conventional wisdom is that wedding bells sound the death knell on go performance, though Yi Se-tol seemed to buck the trend.

But how can Yi Ch'ang-ho sustain his performance anyway? It is utterly staggering. Remember that for most of his career he has been pitted against a much higher proportion of elite players than the average Yi, yet (as of 14 June 2010) he stands at 1515 wins and 472 losses, or 76.25%. That is way above even Go Seigen (under 70%, though with a high proportion of handicap games).

The new Kido Yearbook has an interesting table of the career records of the top 50 players in Japan, and virtually none comes anywhere near Yi Ch'ang-ho. However, Cho U is an exception. He has 710 wins and 261 losses, for 73.12%. That's pretty remarkable, too.
Author:  Jonas [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Finally :3

Well maybe this will give him new energy and boost him once again to the top. I'm still a big fan of his and hope he'll be able to catch another title in the near future.
Author:  Violence [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
It's a bit of a taboo to marry someone of the same surname in the CJK countries, isn't it?

Or is that an old fashioned thing nowadays?
Author:  Harleqin [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Violence wrote:
It's a bit of a taboo to marry someone of the same surname in the CJK countries, isn't it?

Or is that an old fashioned thing nowadays?


I think that it would be a bit impractical in Korea, with 19 million "Kim", 7 million "Yi", and 4 million "Park" (these three make up about half of the korean population, according to Wikipedia).
Author:  Tryphon [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
there isn't 3 millions ways of pronouncing Yi, and twice this number for writing it ?
Author:  shapenaji [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Tryphon:

Not in Korea, it's not tonal like Japanese or Chinese, they don't use the 4 voices, and they have an alphabet
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
I thought that Japanese isn't tonal and Korean is... am I wrong?
Author:  shapenaji [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Japanese may not be tonal, I might be wrong about that, for some reason I thought it was. Korean isn't though, Yi is written and pronounced the same (with regional variation of course)
Author:  Tryphon [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Good to know. Could it be easy to learn so for a westerner ? (relatively to Japanese, or worse, chinese)
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Huh, I guess we're both a bit off... "Some East Asian languages, such as Burmese, Korean, and Japanese have simpler tone systems, which are sometimes called 'register' or 'pitch accent' systems." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)

I figured it was tonal because I can't pronounce any of the words...
Author:  Peter Hansmeier [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Tryphon wrote:
Good to know. Could it be easy to learn so for a westerner ? (relatively to Japanese, or worse, chinese)


The US Foreign Service categorizes languages based on difficulty for native English speakers. Category III (Languages quite difficult for English speakers) includes: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Ararbic.
Author:  kirkmc [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Peter Hansmeier wrote:
Tryphon wrote:
Good to know. Could it be easy to learn so for a westerner ? (relatively to Japanese, or worse, chinese)


The US Foreign Service categorizes languages based on difficulty for native English speakers. Category III (Languages quite difficult for English speakers) includes: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Ararbic.


Probably only because of the graphemes used, not so much because of the pronunciation.
Author:  shapenaji [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Helel wrote:
Peter Hansmeier wrote:
The US Foreign Service categorizes languages based on difficulty for native English speakers. Category III (Languages quite difficult for English speakers) includes: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Ararbic.


The good news is that Swedish is in category I. So get a #¤#¤%¤ move on, show some #"¤#"%#¤ sense, and we can get this forum Swedish speaking in no time! :D


... the swedish are not amused....
Image


EDIT: I know exactly one Swedish anecdote, my father tells a story about the Prussian General "Von Moltke" who is said to have laughed only twice in his lifetime,

Once, when he was at the front and he received word that his mother-in-law had died

and the second time when he was told that Stockholm was an impregnable fortress.
Author:  ethanb [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
shapenaji wrote:
Helel wrote:
Peter Hansmeier wrote:
The US Foreign Service categorizes languages based on difficulty for native English speakers. Category III (Languages quite difficult for English speakers) includes: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Ararbic.


The good news is that Swedish is in category I. So get a #¤#¤%¤ move on, show some #"¤#"%#¤ sense, and we can get this forum Swedish speaking in no time! :D


... the swedish are not amused....
Image


EDIT: I know exactly one Swedish anecdote, my father tells a story about the Prussian General "Von Moltke" who is said to have laughed only twice in his lifetime,

Once, when he was at the front and he received word that his mother-in-law had died

and the second time when he was told that Stockholm was an impregnable fortress.


I thought Prussia was a part of (modern-day) Germany, not Sweden - am I confused? Or is that just a Swedish anecdote because it mentions Stockholm? :)
Author:  tj86430 [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
ethanb wrote:
I thought Prussia was a part of (modern-day) Germany, not Sweden - am I confused?

You are correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia
Author:  aconley [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Does that mean we can finally see Yi look excited?
Author:  Sverre [ Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Helel wrote:
Peter Hansmeier wrote:
The US Foreign Service categorizes languages based on difficulty for native English speakers. Category III (Languages quite difficult for English speakers) includes: Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Ararbic.


The good news is that Swedish is in category I. So get a #¤#¤%¤ move on, show some #"¤#"%#¤ sense, and we can get this forum Swedish speaking in no time! :D


Note that the Scandinavian languages also use pitch accents, however.
Author:  shapenaji [ Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
aconley wrote:
Does that mean we can finally see Yi look excited?


It's not commonly known, but Yi has a single patch of skin which he uses to show emotion, the frequency with which this patch twitches changes dramatically between when he is subtly bemused (around once a day) and when he is vaguely not pleased (around twice a day).
Author:  Tryphon [ Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
Helel wrote:
Attachment:
lee-changho-choi-cheol-han-laughing.jpg



Clearly a fake ! Shadows don't fit :)
Author:  shapenaji [ Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Yi Ch'ang-ho
It's a trap!

Run Choi! Run!
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