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How do you like your "Like" text?
Poll ended at Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:16 am
The old way ("Likes: X times", "Was Liked: Y times") 61%  61%  [ 17 ]
The new way ("Likes: X", "Liked: Y") 29%  29%  [ 8 ]
Something different (Please explain) 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
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Post #1 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:16 am 
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It was recently requested that we trim up the text on the user profile so that it doesn't take as much space: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4120

One of the suggested changes was to change the "Like" sections.

In particular, the format used to be:

Likes: X times
Was Liked: Y times

It was changed to:

Likes: X
Liked: Y

to save on space.

daal brought up the potential ambiguity in "Likes/Liked" vs. the way it used to be.

Please provide your input as to whether you prefer the "Likes/Liked" section as it was,if you prefer things the new way, or if you'd like something totally different.

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Post #2 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:46 am 
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I haven't voted yet, because I haven't thought about it enough, but it's hard to vote as a regular, as there's no ambiguity for me (I know what they mean!) - I suspect for a new user, this may be a bit ambiguous as to which is which. Do any relatively new forum users feel that this is the case?

I think I would be in favour of "was liked", and "liked others", and leave out the "times" bit which is redundant.


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Post #3 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:11 am 
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I voted for the old way but at a minimum I prefer the standard "was liked". For the other term I have no strong preference, although Topazg's suggestion seems good.

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Post #4 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:14 am 
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My "something different" vote is for Topaz' suggestion, which I ... like. :tmbup:

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Post #5 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:37 pm 
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I voted for the old way, but probably think Topazg has the best idea.

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Post #6 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:21 pm 
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I voted for the old way, not thinking of newcomers but of non-native English speakers.

Also, for us geezers, remember that 'likes and 'liked' differ by one character. The old way is easier to read.

Of course, you could just do the difference.

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:09 am 
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The new way doesn't even safe space, since it's vertical space that's scarce, not horizontal space.

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Post #8 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:18 am 
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It looks like people prefer the old format rather than the new format.

It's not a poll option, but some people have expressed a preference toward's topazg's suggestion:

topazg wrote:
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I think I would be in favour of "was liked", and "liked others", and leave out the "times" bit which is redundant.


Since the poll's already open, I won't add it as an option, but could I get some comments on what people think of topazg's suggestion vs. the old implementation (i.e. those that haven't already indicated this preference)?

As the poll suggests, I won't make a change until early next week. Currently it appears that the preference is toward the old way, so if I changed it today I'd change it back to how it was.

If enough people express a preference towards topazg's suggestion, I'll make that change. Either way, I'll make a modification based on what appears to be the consensus around Monday of next week.

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Post #9 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:07 am 
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I agree with topazg, the "times" part is redundant and just adds noise.

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Post #10 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:55 am 
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yea, just drop the "times"

btw, is there a way to lump many identical go server handles together?
e.g.:
KGS,DGS,WBaduk,Tygem: lefuet

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Post #11 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:22 am 
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lefuet wrote:
yea, just drop the "times"

btw, is there a way to lump many identical go server handles together?
e.g.:
KGS,DGS,WBaduk,Tygem: lefuet


I might be able to figure out a way to do that. I suppose you mean that you would still enter the ids separately in the user CP, but if names from different servers happened to be the same, they'd be grouped...

That sounds like a fun project. I'll look into it.

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:37 pm 
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I think saving the horizontal space makes it look less cluttered. But, to be honest, I didn't even notice the change and likely never would have. I voted on the new way, but I really don't care.

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Post #13 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:31 pm 
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I know it's really easy to add all kinds of counters and gadgets to board software, but this made me wonder why is it necessary to have this kind of feature, especially if board space is scarce? I've seen some boards where the post space is so bloated with all sorts of animated banners, counters, logos, tags, avatars, ranks that the actual one-line message takes maybe one tenth of the post space.

I voted the first option, because a little verbosity adds to readability and understanding. I come here to see what people have in their minds and their credibility has nothing to do with their post count to me.

I like the minimalist style of GameFAQs message boards. It's an old site and has managed to avoid much of the frivolities that new board softwares bring.

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Post #14 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:45 pm 
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Redundancy isn't bad per se. Look at the "view unread posts" page. Assuming you have been away from the boards for a few hours, how many times do you see the "Tue Jun 28"? How many times could it be removed without lowering the informational content of the page?

I think "times" works nicely to demarcate those two lines from the posts and go discussions posts, along with the rank, which can just be a number and character.

This is small potatoes, though.

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Post #15 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:25 am 
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lefuet wrote:
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btw, is there a way to lump many identical go server handles together?
e.g.:
KGS,DGS,WBaduk,Tygem: lefuet


Yes. It is easy.
I just created a new field.
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<<===============
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BTW, it is not automated. It is just an alphanumeric field that you set like any other.
To do so, click on 'user control panel' in the top right, then 'profile' on the left.

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Post #16 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:36 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
lefuet wrote:
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btw, is there a way to lump many identical go server handles together?
e.g.:
KGS,DGS,WBaduk,Tygem: lefuet


Yes. It is easy.
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<<===============


My impression was that lefuet was talking about having the specific text, based on server name like in his example:
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KGS,DGS,WBaduk,Tygem: lefuet


The interesting part about this problem is that some people may only use particular servers, or even have a different name on only one server. For example:

KGS, WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby

The question then becomes, how should the user input this data? My thought on this was to allow for the user input of userid to server remain as it is.

Then, in the backend, before displaying the text in the user profile, we should parse the different go server handles, and see if they contain the same text. If they do, we could group the heading together.

So, in essence, as a user I would enter:
KGS: Kirby
WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby

Then when it is displayed on the page, it'd show up as:
KGS,WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby

Having a "Universal id" entry is interesting, but is not applicable in the example above, since I do not have a universal ID, but I do have an ID that is shared across multiple servers.

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Post #17 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:49 am 
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Kirby wrote:
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So, in essence, as a user I would enter:
KGS: Kirby
WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby

Then when it is displayed on the page, it'd show up as:
KGS,WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby
...


That may be tricky. I think that phpBB would require you to generate a new field on the fly. Either that, or you define all of the possible fields beforehand: ab, abc, abcd, abcde, bc, bcd ...etc.

Either way it could get into some ugly programming.

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Post #18 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:22 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Kirby wrote:
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So, in essence, as a user I would enter:
KGS: Kirby
WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby

Then when it is displayed on the page, it'd show up as:
KGS,WBaduk: Kirby
Tygem: MrKirby
...


That may be tricky. I think that phpBB would require you to generate a new field on the fly. Either that, or you define all of the possible fields beforehand: ab, abc, abcd, abcde, bc, bcd ...etc.

Either way it could get into some ugly programming.


It is kind of tricky, because you have to edit some files on the server. It doesn't work just going through ACP. But I think it might be feasible, because the "Likes" text is also on the server, and wasn't hard to figure out. If I can get to it, I'll give it a shot.

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Post #19 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:12 am 
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I want Likes in this format: DELETED

Reasons I explained earlier.

(FWIW, I want also number of posts DELETED. It is another meaningless number. Not to mention Lives in Sente.)

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Post #20 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:23 am 
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RobertJasiek wrote:
I want Likes in this format: DELETED

Reasons I explained earlier.

(FWIW, I want also number of posts DELETED. It is another meaningless number. Not to mention Lives in Sente.)


Hey, Robert. Could you post a link to the explanation of why you want likes deleted? I'm sure this discussion probably happened before, but I don't recall when. I also don't recall the points that were brought up.

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