What's the trick?
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| Author: | Shaddy [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | A trick play |
Here is a trick play which I learned a few years ago, probably on this forum or godiscussions. Does anyone know how to deal with it? I actually can't find anything that works early in the game (later, it's alright for W to take the corner, but I'm not sure how good that is early.) Tenuki is my best idea. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
Just take the ponnuki and accept the forcing moves is also possible: yes it's following black's plan, but you get strong and the corner still has some aji in it. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
Josekipedia shows some variations. |
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| Author: | ez4u [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
What's the trick?
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| Author: | Shaddy [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
The trick is that White shouldn't push into the elephant's jump; 8 as an extension leaves pretty bad aji. Uberdude, I think I agree with you now, but I'm still curious if anyone can find a sharp refutation. That move looks so ridiculous! |
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
What's wrong with this? White has a strong group, pretty much unassailable and black has nothing to get excited about. Don't forget, black played first in this corner, so if white ends up with sente after another black more there is nothing wrong with black getting about ten points more for their combined efforts. If black plays tenuki now there is plenty for white to take advantage of. |
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| Author: | Elom [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
Ironically, I learnt it two days ago, and I must say that I "liked" black, although not thinking black is better. Maybe the person who showed this as a trick play slightly preferred white? Looks like joseki anyway, so used it  why is it a "trick play" ?
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| Author: | Vesa [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
This reminds me about a Formula 1 proverb: "You can't win the race on the first corner." Exceptions allowed. Cheers, Vesa |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:36 pm ] |
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Vesa wrote: a Formula 1 proverb Hi Vesa,Exceptions allowed. It's nice to know these proverbs show up everywhere, and they are all so full of traps (exceptions).
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| Author: | logan [ Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
DrStraw wrote: What's wrong with this? White has a strong group, pretty much unassailable and black has nothing to get excited about. Don't forget, black played first in this corner, so if white ends up with sente after another black more there is nothing wrong with black getting about ten points more for their combined efforts. If black plays tenuki now there is plenty for white to take advantage of. |
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| Author: | oren [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A trick play |
This play was covered in the latest Japanese Go World by Oya Kouichi 9p. I'll try to summarize a few parts of it when I have some more time later. For anyone who wants to read directly, https://e-gobooks.nihonkiin.or.jp/produ ... ct_id=2042 |
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