Pro-pro 2 stone game, no komi, White to play.
No guarantee that White played the best or only move. I just like it.
Where would you play?
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Guess the next move |
Pro-pro 2 stone game, no komi, White to play. No guarantee that White played the best or only move. I just like it. Where would you play? |
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| Author: | Krama [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Bill Spight wrote: Pro-pro 2 stone game, no komi, White to play. No guarantee that White played the best or only move. I just like it. Where would you play? I am just a low kyu  But this is where I would maybe play. |
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| Author: | macelee [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
| Author: | Uberdude [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Some initial thoughts of where my eyes lead, not picking any yet...: |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
I happen to know the answer - the reason why will probably be obvious once you know the players - but macelee's suggestion caught my eye because just yesterday I happened to see that tesuji in an old game I was entering. At the time, it gave me pause for thought because it's a tesuji I remember very, very well from beginner days, probably from the old Go Monthly, yet I have rarely seen it in real games. That got me to wondering (a) was my impression right - apparently yes, for Kombilo shows fewer than 400 games with that tesuji - and (b) why. It's obviously a good move in principle, as many of the very top pros play it, and the shape in which it can occur is far from rare. So I infer that the planets have to be in a certain conjunction to play it, or it may just be a style thing. But if pressed, I'd say that a top pro, and especially White in a no-komi game, is ultra-chary of fixing shapes. Especially if a similar effect can be achieved by the much more subtle means employed here... But what are your thoughts on that tesuji? |
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| Author: | oca [ Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Uberdude wrote: i - OMG so crude a pro can't play it can he? arg... that was my guess... 
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| Author: | peti29 [ Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
oca wrote: Uberdude wrote: i - OMG so crude a pro can't play it can he? arg... that was my guess... Yes, mine too. (With the same considerations: would a pro play that move??) However it seems like a good move in this situation. |
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| Author: | peti29 [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
So? What is the answer? |
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| Author: | schawipp [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
I'm just a former chess player with materialistic attitude After that sequence, (i) the white group at the border is settled and (ii) it is probably sente as black might want to protect (a). After that, a white play around (b) looks nice. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
schawipp wrote: (ii) it is probably sente as black might want to protect (a). It's not sente. Even though white can just manage to live inside (starting with clamp not (a)) black defending lacks fighting spirit, and if he did want to defend it would be to capture that white stone on the outside as that is a more valuable way to fix the corner aji. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Here is how Honinbo Shuei played against Karigane. I suppose that you could call  a probe, but Black's response seems pretty predictable. Anyway, it's a pretty move. With  White's plan seems to be to sacrifice to strengthen White outside.With  Black shifted to the top side. Then White switched back to the left side with  . Later White connected at "a", Black secured the corner with "b", and White continued with "c".
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Here is the whole game. |
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| Author: | jeromie [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Edit: Bill posted the answer before I got this up, but I'll post it anyway to preserve my kyu level reasoning for all to see. My considerations:
It's a bit of a weak connection with the lower left group, but I think this leaves follow ups at a (build a huge moyo) or b (attack the bottom black group and potentially build a moyo on the right-center half.) Whit still has enough eye potential in the lower right that I think he can manage that group of black jumps out at c and attacks at the same time. |
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| Author: | macelee [ Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
A pro game with similar position: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/36437/19 |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Here is another game. Another play I like. Where would you play? Enjoy! |
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
Bill Spight wrote: Here is another game. Another play I like. Where would you play? Enjoy! Without much thought my gut reaction is: So that clearly is not the answer. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Guess the next move |
DrStraw nailed it!    The next few plays: The full game: |
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