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Author: | dangerdoom [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:20 am ] |
Post subject: | another joseki question |
I played a game in which i pincered in the middle of a black formation and my pincer was surrounded on a bigger scale than I would have liked. I tried to pull the pincer stone (move 2) out with pretty bad results. The continuation from the game is below. But my question is, if White doesn't pull the stone out, is the result okay? How can White proceed in the game from here? Any thoughts of how to use the aji of the surrounded pincer stone? And secondly, is there an effective way to pull out the pincer stone? |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: another joseki question |
dangerdoom wrote: I played a game in which i pincered in the middle of a black formation and my pincer was surrounded on a bigger scale than I would have liked. I tried to pull the pincer stone (move 2) out with pretty bad results. The continuation from the game is below. But my question is, if White doesn't pull the stone out, is the result okay? Generally speaking, yes. In fact, an invasion like ![]() In this case, it is not clear that White should reply to ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() As the game went, ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Charles Matthews [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: another joseki question |
Bill Spight wrote: In this case, it is not clear that White should reply to ![]() ![]() I agree with Bill, at least that the reply is too "automatic". Here at least is a thought process. If we ever get something like the top right corner here, there is a standard tesuji to cut. Assume first the marked stones have been exchanged. Then we can see where the tesuji lies, with ![]() ![]() ![]() Now, to get realistic, where should White play if not at 3-3? This ![]() ![]() Of course there are other variations. |
Author: | gowan [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: another joseki question |
If White insists on trying to escape and Black insists on sealing White in, the following diagram might ensue: |
Author: | dangerdoom [ Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: another joseki question |
Thank you for the replies. I see that the 3-3 move maybe went along with my opponent's plan too much. |
Author: | ez4u [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: another joseki question |
If it is OK to invade and sacrifice the stone when Black has a 3-space extension (and we can find a variety of pro games like that), it can't be OK against a 4-space extension. indeed the examples in GoGoD of such invasions all have White putting the invading stone in motion instead of the 3-3 play. The most frequent choice is the simple 1-space jump but the shoulder hit and the knight's move jump have also been seen. |
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