This is still a game:
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Yamada Takuji 8p - Kobayashi Koichi 9p, W+0.5 (Komi 6.5)
71st Japanese Honinbo, preliminary, 2015-05-14
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
Lets have a look at this pseudo joseki: |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
This is still a game: Attachment: nojoseki2.jpg [ 173.2 KiB | Viewed 7364 times ] Yamada Takuji 8p - Kobayashi Koichi 9p, W+0.5 (Komi 6.5) 71st Japanese Honinbo, preliminary, 2015-05-14 |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
But not anymore after this "Joseki" move: Attachment: nojoseki2b.jpg [ 173.48 KiB | Viewed 7364 times ] Although white continues to play and wins the game anyhow  (winrates ELF by the way) |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
It is very important not to connect! a is much better than b (but even if you have to connect at b due to ko threats (Please show me a pro game example where b is the better move, thank you in advance) this is still better for white) |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
But even with ko threats not in your favour, you can consider this: |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
continuation: |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
One more pro game example: Attachment: nojoseki2c.jpg [ 176.45 KiB | Viewed 7345 times ] Yokota Shigeaki 9p - Morita Michihiro 9p, B+Resign (Komi 6.5) 18th Japanese Ryusei, group stage, 2008-11-17 |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
White connected (and looses the game): Attachment: nojeski2d.jpg [ 177.84 KiB | Viewed 7344 times ] |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
Related shape from AlphaGo vs pro team, it's better to fight and lose ko (and get 4 moves elsewhere) than connect. http://www.alphago-games.com/view/event ... /3/move/88 |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: This not Joseki! Even if they tell you :-) |
Thanks for the link to the very interesting game and shape. |
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