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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
I've been reading "A Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - The Korean Style" from Kisedo. ( It is heavy on diagrams, with little connective text. But if you work at it, you can get some of the idea of what is going on. ) There are problems in the back of the book. I'm starting on them, to see if I have really learned anything. I invite others to join me. For the diagram below, they ask which white move is better to contest black's growing strength in the top right: |
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| Author: | emerus [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
My initial opinion is this: |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:01 pm ] |
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| Author: | emerus [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Dusk Eagle wrote: |
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| Author: | CnP [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
I've got no chance ! but |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
| Author: | gaius [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
| Author: | Stable [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
I'm with Gaius and Joaz on this. When will you look at the answer J? |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
it is nice to talk about which move is better but... at our (not pro) level it doesnt matter which move we select. they both are very good moves IMO. from looking at two..i feel they are both excellent moves. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
But if we learn to make all the choices like a pro, we will be as strong as a pro. 
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: But if we learn to make all the choices like a pro, we will be as strong as a pro. my point is that this problem is beyond the scope of amature players. it will be more beneficial for us to study problems that actually help us get stronger. i think even professionals will disagree on which move is better. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Magicwand wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: But if we learn to make all the choices like a pro, we will be as strong as a pro. my point is that this problem is beyond the scope of amature players. it will be more beneficial for us to study problems that actually help us get stronger. i think even professionals will disagree on which move is better. While I agree, I also think that if you enjoy thinking about problems like these, you can still get benefit from it. The benefit may be low, but if it's far more enjoyable to some people than other types of problems, there's nothing wrong with doing them. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
It appears that the concensus of 'b' is correct, and Gaius came very close to the exact answer: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki wrote: ...after 10, black's stones are thick and their influence is overwhelming...white needs one more move to secure the corner. ...white's territory is better than black's influence. They don't mention anything about overconcentration, but I think that it is implied here. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Problem 2 is here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3401 |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: It appears that the concensus of 'b' is correct, and Gaius came very close to the exact answer: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki wrote: ...after 10, black's stones are thick and their influence is overwhelming...white needs one more move to secure the corner. ...white's territory is better than black's influence. They don't mention anything about overconcentration, but I think that it is implied here.  in the first right answer diagram is not good, IMO. 
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Bill Spight wrote: ... in the first right answer diagram is not good, IMO. I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative? |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: ... in the first right answer diagram is not good, IMO. I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative? In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner.
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Bill Spight wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: ... in the first right answer diagram is not good, IMO. I could believe that; for it does seem to lend itself to over-concentration. But what is the alternative? In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner. You would allow this? |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dictionary of Modern Fuseki - problem 1 |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Bill Spight wrote: In that quadrant, R-15 looks good, to secure the corner. You would allow this? Sure. I like the exchange,  -  . Black's right side is strengthened.Hmmm. Maybe this is better than securing the corner. Magicwand, do you have an opinion about this play?
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