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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
A recent result of my quest to improve at go led to my Chinese go teacher ( 3 Dan - no sense of humor) throwing a book at me. He ordered me to read it as of all the books he read on go this one was the one that had the biggest impact on his game. I pointed out that it was in Chinese and I didn't have a clue what it was on about. This fact, he considered, to be a minor obstacle. With Google translator in hand I confidently entered portions of the text and waited in awe as the mighty google transcended cultures and imparted in me knowledge that few other westerners have enjoyed. Frankly the output from google was goobledegook. The title of the book "Bang around the wonderful responsibility" (as reported by google) is in fact "The best move". The book takes the form of scenarios and the idea is to identify the strongest move - it is not L&D or a joseki dictionary. Here's an example: where is blacks best next move? Might be worth restricting this to newbies like me... Around 10k. |
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| Author: | cyclops [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
BobC wrote: where is blacks best next move? I don't want to be shut in and I don't want him to connect so I would play the 5-5 point. And I couldn't stand a teacher without humour and being a teacher I couldn't stand a pupil who said so. edit: consider me as a newby that learned the game about 40 years ago |
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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Any other takers before I declare an intepretation ...? |
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
BobC wrote: With Google translator in hand I confidently entered portions of the text and waited in awe as the mighty google transcended cultures and imparted in me knowledge that few other westerners have enjoyed. How did you enter them? Some radical based method? |
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| Author: | tchan001 [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
What is the ISBN of the book? |
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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Li Kao wrote: BobC wrote: With Google translator in hand I confidently entered portions of the text and waited in awe as the mighty google transcended cultures and imparted in me knowledge that few other westerners have enjoyed. How did you enter them? Some radical based method? scan in -> image into google docs -> translate. The ocr in Google docs issues the Chinese characters as well as the translation. |
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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
ISBN Can't find one on it.... The only number I recognise in 1986 which I guess is the publication date.Did Chinese books use ISBN's in the '80s? |
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| Author: | jts [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
I encountered this position in a handicap game, and did some research on it afterwards. |
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| Author: | Puppycakes [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
I saw this position in a review of Joaz that Bill Spight gave. It was a game in which Joaz played a professional and faced this double approach. Joaz played the 5-5 point and the professional player played the 6-6 point. Bill suggested the 6-5 Shoulder hit to separate white. It makes sense to me. |
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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
The book gives the best answers and two "poor" answers. As identified: is deemed best. Shoulder hitting to split. considered poor given whites response indicated. Also poor with whites resonse.. |
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| Author: | BobC [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Fun... now try this.. |
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| Author: | Marcus [ Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
I don't know what's best ... but I think G2 is an interesting point. it can connect to either black group and robs the white group of a base (I think ... haven't looked too deep). |
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| Author: | BobC [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Any more takers?? |
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| Author: | p2501 [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Just a hunch though. |
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
BobC wrote: d at the elephants eye seems to leave too many forcing moves. c reduces white's eyespace, he'll proably jump to b afterwards. Black's shape isn't very good though. I expect to get in a few more forcing moves, but need to be careful to avoid weakening the left group too much. b Some kind of cap. Tries to separate white's stones. White probably responds one above c. Feels like helping white to make shape. Also feels a bit thin. a similar to b, but more solid. c is my preferred move, followed by a. But since it's a problem, and not a game of mine, I bet on a. Marcus move seems a bit premature to me. Taking the eyespace away is big, but since white can easily run out, I don't think it's the right timing. I'd respond at E7 as white. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:37 am ] |
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BobC, |
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| Author: | BobC [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:04 am ] |
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EdLee wrote: BobC, "A Chou" I believe is the Author... It is a very old book. We're getting interesting responses to this.... I'll post the answer later.. |
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| Author: | tchan001 [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
Can you show an image (jpg/png) of the cover? Just want to know what your book looks like so we can figure out which Chinese book it is. BobC wrote: It is a very old book.. I can tell you I have a very different idea on what I would call "a very old go book". |
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| Author: | gonut [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
BobC, just based on the 2 problems you've given so far, I think I would like your book a lot! |
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| Author: | Magnus86 [ Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bang around the wonderful responsibility (A Chou) |
I would play this....idk if its correct or not though. |
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seems to be a shape point.