Life In 19x19 :: SGF Editor for Mac?

(;ST[2]CA[ISO8859-1]GM[1]SZ[9]AP[GOWrite:2.3.46]FF[4]FG[259:]DT[2014-11-27]RE[W+1.5]PC[OGS\: http\://online-go.com/game/1151552]GN[ ]PB[virre]WR[18k]RU[japanese]BR[21k]PW[bananasplit]KM[5.5]CP[online-go.com]PM[2]
;B[ee]C[Tengen opening. I have understood this to be common, it also seems to cover a lot of posibilites for later play. ]
;W[ff]
;B[eg]C[Answering that approach with a two space extensions feels right based on my limited theory knowledge and some experience. I also considered A but feelt the played stone as better, purely based on the fact I think it limit whites influence. ]L[ec]
;C[This was the move I awaited.]W[ef]
;B[df]C[So closeing down here to keep controll. ]
;W[fe]
;B[gc]C[Considered extending at A as an answer to this to avoid beeing ataried. However 7 feels like a way to approach the corner. ]L[ed]
;W[ed]
;B[de]C[So instead of extended at A I have to connect here. At least the triangles are not empty. ]L[ed]
;W[dd]C[Is this a misstake by white? Considering leaving a cutting point at A? ]L[fd]
;B[fd]C[And yes I did use it. ]
;C[Of course that made this a Sente move for white.]W[gd]
;B[fc]
;W[fg]
;B[cd]C[I thought white would run at A as an answer to this, though I think I still could win that. ]L[dc][dg]
;L[eh][dc]MA[dd][ed]C[This white Atari asked me a intresting question, running at A or playing B to kill. ]W[dg]
;B[dc]C[I went for the kill as I did not think I would win running at A.]L[eg]
;W[ce]C[So he is trying to kill marked stone with this move. ]TR[df][de][ee]
;B[ec]C[That might have been a Sente move as it forced me to kill his group, though extending at A was also an option.]L[cf]
;L[cg]TR[eg]C[This again might have been a misstake by him as I still have no intrest of saveing the marked stone and A seems to be a cuting point. ]W[cf]
;B[ge]C[But we save that for later, trying to use an older cutting point.]
;W[hd]
;B[gf]C[So I might slightly have tried to save the marked stone after all.]TR[eg]
;W[gg]
;B[hc]C[Trying to limit white. At this point it feelt like I was loseing the game too.]
;W[id]
;B[he]C[I thought this would kill, this was very wrong. ]TR[gd][hd][id]
;W[ie]
;B[ic]
;W[hf]
;B[cg]TR[dg]MA[cf][ce]C[This move should threaten to kill either of the marked groups]
;TR[dg]MA[cf][ce]C[By saveing the triangle marked stone, he killed the other group in a ladder.]W[eh]
;B[bf]
;C[Apperently he did not read that this was a ladder. I did though.]W[be]
;B[ae]
;W[bd]
;B[bc]
;MA[bd][be][ce][cf]W[bg]C[I wonder about this move, yes he did double Atari, but he should know his group is dead and he therefor loses his atari. Perhaps he does this to protect the corner?]
;B[ad]
;W[ch]
;B[cf]
;W[ag]
;B[af]
;C[At this point I did not count but thought I was losing, this was A misstake as you seen by my new calculation (if they are right).
Black\: 29 White\: 28.]W[bi]
;B[di]C[Somehow I thought playing here would lead to a sequence I could win. This was so much overplay.]
;W[ei]
;B[ah]C[Yes I thought this would help too. Apperently I can't see the difference between false and real eyes still.]
;W[bh]
;B[dh]
;W[ci]
;B[ge]C[This move, somehow I thought I could take with it. probably following up whites play with playing at A or B. This was probably a misstake anyway.]L[ig][hg]
;W[tt]
;B[tt]C[bananasplit\: gg
virre\: Same, thank you
bananasplit\: thank you]
)

Author:	Sadaharu [ Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:18 pm ]
Post subject:	SGF Editor for Mac?
Hi everyone. Any suggestions for good SGF Editor on Mac? I'm currently using GoWrite2, and the good thing is that it comes with a thumbnail viewer so I am able to see the file without opening the file itself. However the bad side is that the editor itself is not very nice to use. Any suggestions?

Author:	fstop [ Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
I mainly use the one included in KGS. Sente:Goban is 10$ and can edit, but I find it a pain to use but graphics are better than KGS. I just tried GoWrite, and ... well... I find it ugly but usable. If anyone have anything better than that, I would also be glad to know. And please don't suggest switching to windows.

Author:	Sadaharu [ Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
Precisely... GoWrite is too ugly. Even the MultiGo from Windows is much better. I also use the KGS editor sometimes, but it's a bit annoying because it's run by java and not an app on its own.

Author:	Bonobo [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
I for one am pining for Anders Kierulf to finish the Mac version of SmartGo … http://www.smartgo.com/mac.html

Author:	kivi [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
fstop wrote: I mainly use the one included in KGS. Sente:Goban is 10$ and can edit, but I find it a pain to use but graphics are better than KGS. I just tried GoWrite, and ... well... I find it ugly but usable. If anyone have anything better than that, I would also be glad to know. And please don't suggest switching to windows. I have old version of Sente-Goban, v3.2.12, which is free. I think you can find it on it's old website. My sentiment is same: it is nice look and feel but less usable compared to CGoban.

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Author:	RBerenguel [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
Usually I use CGoban, except if I want some B&W image (for some Anki card or something) when it is faster to fire GoWrite and take a screenshot. Remember, GoWrite has pattern searching as a nice added bonus (and even works with 9x9 games).

Author:	Sadaharu [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
RBerenguel wrote: Usually I use CGoban, except if I want some B&W image (for some Anki card or something) when it is faster to fire GoWrite and take a screenshot. Remember, GoWrite has pattern searching as a nice added bonus (and even works with 9x9 games). Pattern searching? Really? How do you do that?

Author:	RBerenguel [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
Sadaharu wrote: RBerenguel wrote: Usually I use CGoban, except if I want some B&W image (for some Anki card or something) when it is faster to fire GoWrite and take a screenshot. Remember, GoWrite has pattern searching as a nice added bonus (and even works with 9x9 games). Pattern searching? Really? How do you do that? First, create a database with files (Options->Game database.) To search, set your pattern on the board (or a region of the board,) change to select mode (the arrow on the left tool rack,) select the desired region/pattern and either press E or press the Globe+Spectacles icon on the toolbar on top. I'm attaching a screenshot on spoiler tags (since it's likely large) to show the results of a sub-pattern search in my pro 9x9 database (I should add the amateur database someday.) Attachment: Screen Shot 2014-11-25 at 14.12.54.jpg [ 253.82 KiB \| Viewed 13009 times ]

Author:	fstop [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
Also waiting for the mac version of smartgo

Author:	Sadaharu [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
RBerenguel wrote: Sadaharu wrote: RBerenguel wrote: Usually I use CGoban, except if I want some B&W image (for some Anki card or something) when it is faster to fire GoWrite and take a screenshot. Remember, GoWrite has pattern searching as a nice added bonus (and even works with 9x9 games). Pattern searching? Really? How do you do that? First, create a database with files (Options->Game database.) To search, set your pattern on the board (or a region of the board,) change to select mode (the arrow on the left tool rack,) select the desired region/pattern and either press E or press the Globe+Spectacles icon on the toolbar on top. I'm attaching a screenshot on spoiler tags (since it's likely large) to show the results of a sub-pattern search in my pro 9x9 database (I should add the amateur database someday.) Attachment: Screen Shot 2014-11-25 at 14.12.54.jpg Wow... cool. I always use Drago to do my pattern search, so I didn't know GoWrite can perform the same thing as well. Btw, a bit out of topic but, there's a pro 9x9 database? Where can I find it?

Author:	kivi [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
I just installed GoWrite. When you said it I didn't think much of thumbnails, but having preview with player names makes it much easier to look for a particular game among a bunch of sgf files. Also it is very smooth when opening multiple files.

Author:	RBerenguel [ Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
A friend of mine scoured all internet looking for pro 9x9. Most come from a NHK TV program, there's the typical Go Seigen and I have a few more I've collected lately from the zen matches. According to him, this is "nag-ware" where we need to push him to share it with someone

Author:	cuetzpalin [ Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
I'm interested in that 9x9 pro games database too. Who should I nag?

Author:	virre [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
So after this thread I found out about GoWrite 2 So I installed it and used it to comment on one of my last enjoyable games, just to test the software out. However as I upload the file to EidoGo I got errors. First it just did not upload, opening the file, the first line is empty so this seems to be the issue, or I just pressed the wrong buttom on the upload form. Then I used the label to put labels on different plays in the game, but those seems to have been lost when I upload it to Eidogo? See: http://eidogo.com/#2nuRC7NG7 (Could not embed it)

Author:	RBerenguel [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
The only issue is that GoWrite is using the L property instead of the FF4 compatible LB property. I'm not sure how deprecated L is, EasyGo understands it, and sgfc (sgfcheck) can convert it to LB without issues. Eidogo doesn't, though. Weird, wasn't aware of this glitch.

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Author:	RBerenguel [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
Could you paste the SGF gowrite generated (between Code tags, maybe)? Re: 9x9 pro games, I have cc-ed my friend (stopped playing a lon ago), maybe he chimes in.

Author:	virre [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
I suspect it might have something todo with OGS, perhaps the conversation on the last line where it is [ comment text [NEWLINE] ]. But not sure even if I sat down and trited to read through the SGF definition. Code: (;ST[2]CA[ISO8859-1]GM[1]SZ[9]AP[GOWrite:2.3.46]FF[4]FG[259:]DT[2014-11-27]RE[W+1.5]PC[OGS\: http\://online-go.com/game/1151552]GN[ ]PB[virre]WR[18k]RU[japanese]BR[21k]PW[bananasplit]KM[5.5]CP[online-go.com]PM[2] ;B[ee]C[Tengen opening. I have understood this to be common, it also seems to cover a lot of posibilites for later play. ] ;W[ff] ;B[eg]C[Answering that approach with a two space extensions feels right based on my limited theory knowledge and some experience. I also considered A but feelt the played stone as better, purely based on the fact I think it limit whites influence. ]L[ec] ;C[This was the move I awaited.]W[ef] ;B[df]C[So closeing down here to keep controll. ] ;W[fe] ;B[gc]C[Considered extending at A as an answer to this to avoid beeing ataried. However 7 feels like a way to approach the corner. ]L[ed] ;W[ed] ;B[de]C[So instead of extended at A I have to connect here. At least the triangles are not empty. ]L[ed] ;W[dd]C[Is this a misstake by white? Considering leaving a cutting point at A? ]L[fd] ;B[fd]C[And yes I did use it. ] ;C[Of course that made this a Sente move for white.]W[gd] ;B[fc] ;W[fg] ;B[cd]C[I thought white would run at A as an answer to this, though I think I still could win that. ]L[dc][dg] ;L[eh][dc]MA[dd][ed]C[This white Atari asked me a intresting question, running at A or playing B to kill. ]W[dg] ;B[dc]C[I went for the kill as I did not think I would win running at A.]L[eg] ;W[ce]C[So he is trying to kill marked stone with this move. ]TR[df][de][ee] ;B[ec]C[That might have been a Sente move as it forced me to kill his group, though extending at A was also an option.]L[cf] ;L[cg]TR[eg]C[This again might have been a misstake by him as I still have no intrest of saveing the marked stone and A seems to be a cuting point. ]W[cf] ;B[ge]C[But we save that for later, trying to use an older cutting point.] ;W[hd] ;B[gf]C[So I might slightly have tried to save the marked stone after all.]TR[eg] ;W[gg] ;B[hc]C[Trying to limit white. At this point it feelt like I was loseing the game too.] ;W[id] ;B[he]C[I thought this would kill, this was very wrong. ]TR[gd][hd][id] ;W[ie] ;B[ic] ;W[hf] ;B[cg]TR[dg]MA[cf][ce]C[This move should threaten to kill either of the marked groups] ;TR[dg]MA[cf][ce]C[By saveing the triangle marked stone, he killed the other group in a ladder.]W[eh] ;B[bf] ;C[Apperently he did not read that this was a ladder. I did though.]W[be] ;B[ae] ;W[bd] ;B[bc] ;MA[bd][be][ce][cf]W[bg]C[I wonder about this move, yes he did double Atari, but he should know his group is dead and he therefor loses his atari. Perhaps he does this to protect the corner?] ;B[ad] ;W[ch] ;B[cf] ;W[ag] ;B[af] ;C[At this point I did not count but thought I was losing, this was A misstake as you seen by my new calculation (if they are right). Black\: 29 White\: 28.]W[bi] ;B[di]C[Somehow I thought playing here would lead to a sequence I could win. This was so much overplay.] ;W[ei] ;B[ah]C[Yes I thought this would help too. Apperently I can't see the difference between false and real eyes still.] ;W[bh] ;B[dh] ;W[ci] ;B[ge]C[This move, somehow I thought I could take with it. probably following up whites play with playing at A or B. This was probably a misstake anyway.]L[ig][hg] ;W[tt] ;B[tt]C[bananasplit\: gg virre\: Same, thank you bananasplit\: thank you] ) And here is the original file directly from OGS Code: (;FF[4] GM[1] DT[2014-11-27] PC[OGS: http://online-go.com/game/1151552] PB[virre] PW[bananasplit] BR[21k] WR[18k] CP[online-go.com] RE[W+1.5] SZ[9] KM[5.5] RU[japanese] ;B[ee] ;W[ff] ;B[eg] ;W[ef] ;B[df] ;W[fe] ;B[gc] ;W[ed] ;B[de] ;W[dd] ;B[fd] ;W[gd] ;B[fc] ;W[fg] ;B[cd] ;W[dg] ;B[dc] ;W[ce] ;B[ec] ;W[cf] ;B[ge] ;W[hd] ;B[gf] ;W[gg] ;B[hc] ;W[id] ;B[he] ;W[ie] ;B[ic] ;W[hf] ;B[cg] ;W[eh] ;B[bf] ;W[be] ;B[ae] ;W[bd] ;B[bc] ;W[bg] ;B[ad] ;W[ch] ;B[cf] ;W[ag] ;B[af] ;W[bi] ;B[di] ;W[ei] ;B[ah] ;W[bh] ;B[dh] ;W[ci] ;B[ge] ;W[] ;B[] C[bananasplit: gg ] C[virre: Same, thank you ] C[bananasplit: thank you ] )

Author:	RBerenguel [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
A quick visual check makes me think both seem valid SGF... Hm

Author:	RBerenguel [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?

Author:	virre [ Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SGF Editor for Mac?
RBerenguel wrote: The only issue is that GoWrite is using the L property instead of the FF4 compatible LB property. I'm not sure how deprecated L is, EasyGo understands it, and sgfc (sgfcheck) can convert it to LB without issues. Eidogo doesn't, though. Weird, wasn't aware of this glitch. Removes the Label to a marking the points too. But I guess that works as well. Now I might be able to get the comments from others I made that for (: