Life In 19x19
http://prod.lifein19x19.com/

Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
http://prod.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=12286		 Page 1 of 1
Author:  Erythen [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
Hello,
I've finally complied a guide on how to clean Go stones (With a major emphasis on slate and shell).

I haven't put the article through to much editing, so I apologize for the drab language and poor grammar. :study:

Here's the link for those interested...

https://erythen.wordpress.com/2015/09/2 ... go-stones/
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:59 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hi Erythen,

Thanks for the article.

I have one question.
This is merely my educated guess,
but I suspect there are generally three groups of people
when it comes to oiling the slate stones: those who prefer them oiled, those who don't, and those who don't notice or don't care.

I dislike the feeling of oiled slate stones. I prefer them completely clean and void of any chemicals (including any kind of oil).

So my question is: since you mention the most important part before using a nice set of slate and shell stones is to wash your hands to remove and dirt or oil from your hands (which I agree 100%),
then it seems to me quite counter-productive and counter-intuitive to intentionally put mineral oil on the slate stones,
because during play, the net result is you are constantly transferring the mineral oil, however thin its layer, onto the shell stones.

And not only to the shell stones, but actually to all the other surfaces: the Go board, the bowls, even any books you touch after you pick up any oiled slate stone. Food, even. In effect, you're smearing and spreading mineral oil everywhere! :)

This part confuses me a little. Thanks.
Author:  gowan [ Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
Avoid cleaning slate stones in a metal container because the black slate is slightly abrasive and metal can be rubbed onto the stones. This is especially likely to happen with aluminum. I experienced this when I used an aluminum colander to rinse off the stones after washing. The black stones had metalic stripes on them :( Fortunately this could be removed by serious scrubbing the affected stones with a plastic scrubbing pad but took a lot of work. Because of the abrasiveness of the black stones don't allow the black slate stones and white clam shell stones to rub together, as would happen if both colors were washed together in a mesh bag. Aside from chipping the white stones, the black slate rubbing on the soft clam stones could damage the surface appearance or feel of the clam stones.
Author:  Erythen [ Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
Hello Edlee :)

Quote:
This is merely my educated guess,
but I suspect there are generally three groups of people
when it comes to oiling the slate stones: those who prefer them oiled, those who don't, and those who don't notice or don't care.


Those are the only three possibilities...as far as I can fathom :)

Quote:
So my question is: since you mention the most important part before using a nice set of slate and shell stones is to wash your hands to remove and dirt or oil from your hands (which I agree 100%),
then it seems to me quite counter-productive and counter-intuitive to intentionally put mineral oil on the slate stones,
because during play, the net result is you are constantly transferring the mineral oil, however thin its layer, onto the shell stones.

And not only to the shell stones, but actually to all the other surfaces: the Go board, the bowls, even any books you touch after you pick up any oiled slate stone. Food, even. In effect, you're smearing and spreading mineral oil everywhere! :)

This part confuses me a little. Thanks.


New slate stones actually come with mineral oil already on them. It's recommended you wipe them down a couple of times before play.

My take on it is that the oiling after cleaning doesn't serve a purpose other than to give the slate a newer look. In truth, the more you play with the slate, the more the moisture from your hands will do that job for you so it's a matter of aesthetics.

As for it being counter-intuitive, you kinda got me there :). I wish I could give you a good, technical answer, but I can't. I suggested wiping them down at least three times just to be sure you removed the excess. Properly cleaned, I've never seen the oil smear the board or other stones.

I haven't looked at the Go Players Almanac for almost three years, and it has some useful information on the whys. I'm not home at the moment, but I'll check this evening and see if it provides any incites.

If you wanted to oil your slate stones but wanted to avoid using mineral oil, there are a few good choices. 100% pure camellia oil would be a great alternative. It's used on knives and other metal equipment in Japan. Sadly the health foods craze in the west has latched onto it and it's difficult to get some that isn't intended as a hair or skin product.

I'll probably get some flak for this but what I use (to great effect) is pledge orange oil (for those not in the U.S. it's used to revitalize wooden furniture). It makes the stones look great, whatever's left over after you've wiped it dries, and the orange smell will fade after a few days. I didn't include this in the article simply because it's not part of the norm.

Whatever the case, I recommend avoiding most vegetable based oils (especially the heavy stuff like linseed).

That's probably more of an answer than you were looking for Edlee, sorry for going off on a number of tangents ;-)

Quote:
Avoid cleaning slate stones in a metal container because the black slate is slightly abrasive and metal can be rubbed onto the stones. This is especially likely to happen with aluminum. I experienced this when I used an aluminum colander to rinse off the stones after washing. The black stones had metalic stripes on them :( Fortunately this could be removed by serious scrubbing the affected stones with a plastic scrubbing pad but took a lot of work.


TRUTH!!! I need to include this in the article.

I did something similar with one of the first used sets. It left terrible streaks that took forever to remove. I didn't want to sell the set afterward so I kept it for travel and Go Clubs.
Author:  Erythen [ Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
Hello Edlee,
I did a little research but wasn't able to come up with much to answer your question about oiling slate stones. :study: Mr. Kuroki is cleaning a number of special hyuga sets for me at the moment. When he sends me the invoice (Probably in the next week or two), I'll ask him about it.
Author:  EdLee [ Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:51 am ]
Post subject: 
Hi Erythen,

Thanks. Mostly it's just my idle curiosity. :)
I guess I'll never understand why some prefer that oily feeling. :)
Author:  Cassandra [ Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
I would like to suppose that mineral oils consists of components only that do not react with the chalk (calcium carbonate) of the shell stones.

As far as I know, their chemical structure it quite different from that of vegetable oils.
Author:  penfold [ Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guide to Cleaning Go Stones (Slate and Shell)
Is it true that wooden bowls can sometimes stain clamshell stones is the stones are not used often enough?
Author:  EdLee [ Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:39 am ]
Post subject: 
penfold wrote:
Is it true that wooden bowls can sometimes stain clamshell stones if the stones are not used often enough?
Hi penfold,

Others have already asked your exact question previously (on this forum and possibly elsewhere.)

My understanding is if you buy good quality bowls (say, from Mr. Kuroki),
the answer is no.

More info:
I have three sets of wooden bowls:
  • Karin bowls from Mr. Kuroki -- very good quality.
  • The other two sets -- either Chinese or Korean origin --
    much lower quality than Mr. Kuroki's bowls.
Even with the lower quality bowls, I don't think the "staining" will happen.
( However, I use the stones and all the six bowls very regularly. )

The question is similar to asking if you buy some wooden furniture, is it possible the finish of the wood will stain your clothes.
The answer is: if the furniture is of very poor quality with a very low quality finish, then yes.
But if the furniture is of good quality, it's highly unlikely it will stain or bleed.

Suggestions:
  • If feasible, get the best quality within your budget.
  • Use your Go equipment as often as you can afford to. :)
Page 1 of 1 All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
http://www.phpbb.com/