I think we are probably all aware of who the admins are on KGS and how the opinions vary on them. You seem to have a very one-sided opinion of BigDoug, and I've seen very positive things too. It's easy to only see one side when you're on the blunt end of it, but that doesn't mean that's the only side that exists. We're all very happy with the principle of admins being wrong as well as right.

Answer me honestly, how often have you tried to justify to yourself why BigDoug may have been in the right in your case? What arguments in his favour have you made? Administration is a very thankless and difficult affair, and I think I can speak for most admins that people being provocative and difficult (as, from what you've posted, you were in this instance), especially at the wrong time when someone else has just been a complete nuisance, get the short-fused response, as you have. Live with it, stop baiting the guy, accept his judgements when he makes them, and I suspect the number of bans you get will disappear overnight.

yet again some guy who cant fathom that it might be the admins fault for something. i really dont care for your opinion as its apparent you cant think for yourself. ive made my opinion clear about doug being arrogant and having an overinflated ego from what ive seen and dealt with from him for years, and im far from the only one who sees it, even in this topic.

but if you insist, try to be someone who answers how im wrong in this case and not try to assume im wrong because of other incidents.

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i also should add, since you claimed it, please tell me one positive thing bigdoug has done that youve seen.


do you really have nothing to add to this thread to the point where you have to ignore it and insult me instead?

The only way you could write this and believe it is if you didn't actually read any of my post.

1) You have an opinion, and you don't think you could possibly be wrong.
2) Other people (myself included) have expressed both parties could be right or wrong, and it's hard to know the context from a few short posts.
3) Despite 1), you expect everyone else to be open-minded.

Can't you see the irony in what you're posting at all?

maybe you wouldve had to put up with the *!#£! doug and other admins have been throwing at me for the past nearly-3 years now before you can see where im coming from.

for instance, gralanibal was trolling several users in the EGR for 30 minutes with no admin doing anything and i just flat say, without my being in the convo at all, "admin, please stop the trolling in here" and rabidwolve bans me for public accusations

If i disregard everything else and only read the last page or so in this thread the one with the overinflated ego is you.

Before you began this thread ive never spoken to bigdoug but over the last week ive had a really nice and constructive conversation or two. I think you need to reflect on yourself and how your chat is perceived by others, because frankly right now its not constructive and bordering on agressive ( the way i read it, maybe you mix in sarcasm but intonation doesnt really exist in chat)

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Ok, I understand that you think you're being repeatedly given the unjust magical banhammer. However, we only have your word for it, and as this hasn't happened to anyone else on here, despite all of us being regular KGS customers, you can understand the scepticism.

This is made doubly the case when you appear to be using this thread as a "rant about BigDoug" forum.

You clearly are annoyed with your treatment to the point of wanting it to stop, which leaves you with two choices.

1) Successfully change the administration to something that treats you better.
2) Change your behaviour.

1) Is frankly really unlikely at the best of times, particularly as you're trying to swim up a waterfall regarding general opinion. However, even if it was possible, you certainly aren't going to make any progress shouting about it on L19.
2) Is always possible, and always has the chance of being successful - even if you were _right_ about the mistreatment in the first instance.

If you want the banning to stop, do something about it, even if that means changing your behaviour. If you don't mind it continuing, carry on as you are. What are you expecting from the rest of us on L19?

im not the one with the ego, im the one that would prefer people to not blindly assume that admins are always right.


im not going to just sit around and allow them to mistreat other users. ill be the first to defend them if i find the admin being unreasonable and thats when they kick me, even though im not being offensive or disruptive at all. ive been banned for just asking questions, even without admin giving any kind of chat warning. all that does is tell me that they get butthurt when their actions are questioned

i want the users to be aware of how they treat others and not just stick their heads into the sand pretending theyre perfect

xDragon:

First of all, you seem unable to comprehend topazg's point. His question was to determine whether or not you had tried to empathize with the admins. Your tone and demeanor suggest that you have not, and if you haven't tried to see the situation from the other person's point of view, I don't think anyone is really going to listen seriously to you.

Second of all, what are you, the "Ego Police"? Somebody has an ego and you decide it's your job to "bring them down to size"?

So what if BigDoug does or does not have an ego, it's only getting in your way because you're getting in its way.

EDIT:

And why do other users need YOU to stick up for them? I suspect they didn't ask for your help, and since you have never successfully won an argument with an admin, I can only suspect the only good you did the user was to escalate the situation.

That's one hell of an ego YOU have, if you think you are needed to fight everyone's battles for them.

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of course i have. you must think im unreasonable that ive never tried dealing with them in other ways. it never worked.

im glad that you can sit around and let people be condescending and sarcastic with you several times a week and not say anything at all. i guess its like having a bad boss right?

yup its so terrible that i actually care about that users experience on KGS when theyre being unfairly attacked by admins.

funny how you guys are so quick to insult me when i care more about the well being of KGS than most of you. youre jsut willing for things to be as they are and let people run around doing whatever they want because wms made a bad choice.

The reason you are so easily insulted is because you have a big ego.

Hey, it's okay, I have a big ego too. (Which is why I find it hypocritical to attack someone SOLELY for having a big ego)

I'm not willing to let things be as they are, but I would rather focus on the facts of specific situations and how the admins make mistakes, rather than making blanket statements about the personality of admins.

Since you have previously stated that you feel you are being unfairly targeted, my impression of the situation is that you have designated yourself "defender of the users":

is this you?



You obviously interject yourself in other people's disputes with the admins, and so I'm not surprised that you get on peoples nerves.

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its weird how you say that yet absolutely nobody here is willing to look at specific situations, as ive tried to do, then everyone else is trying to blame me for everything, making a blanket statement of how i keep trying to bait admins and all that.

The very title of this thread is "Can we get rid of the insane admins please?"

You've stated that your issue is with a person, you think BigDoug and Bigdoug's ego are the problem. I'm saying that that approach to these "injustices" is a waste of time.

Point out what the admin is doing wrong, but please refrain from targeting the personality. That just results in an argument.

I think what people are blaming you for is the tone of the argument. Many of us, in this thread, came out previously and said there were problems with the Admin approach. You alone have spent this thread ranting about a person.

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ive pointed out plenty of times what was done wrong, and how their personality is the reason theyre doing things wrong. they cant help but be an ass.

doug i know youre reading this, how about you put in your input instead of ignoring me like you usually do when not insulting me

Yeah, THAT will result in a solution.

</sarcasm>

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you think hes going to change any other way?

i never assumed anything about your little clique, i just brushed it off as some immature thing involving some people stil stuck in high school. i was talking to users who arent on all day.

BigDoug isn't going to change by saying that either - why should he waste his time defending a single instance of his admin role on L19?
Nor is wms going to change him on your opinion, which happens to be in the distinct minority here.
This is something you will have to learn to live with.

The fact you've almost single-handedly polarised everyone else in this thread to think you were probably in the wrong on KGS simply due to your behaviour on this thread alone should be enough of a hint to learn from. This isn't because we all believe admins are somewhere above God - it's because your tone and behaviour has made people think "wow, if he's going to be like this here, no wonder BigDoug had issues with him".

I'm sorry you seem completely unwilling to realise how people take your posts and comments, and I'm sorry that you will feel some need to either a) tell me I'm insulting you, b) tell me I'm taking BigDoug's side because I believe all admins are perfect, or c) tell me how you're only doing this because the whole of the KGS userbase would be better without BigDoug in it. You'll really help yourself by listening a bit more at what other people here are trying to tell you.