Simple. You're thirsty. There are two water fountains. Onealways has your regular , refreshing drinking water. The other has too , but very very very occationally it gushes out mud. The repair man tells you it's hopelessly broken and you'll just need to find another one.

Which one would you pick ^_^ ?

I don't really understand what issues one can have with the KGS Japanese ruleset. It's not the (certainly bizarre and overcomplicated) official Japanese ruleset. It's just a very simple territory scoring ruleset with life and death status determined by agreement. It's simple and practical and doesn't require filling dame.

Oh and while we're on filling liberties -- The KGS scoring system under Japa-
nese very often flat out give the wrong score if certain liberties haven't
been filled.

Just as simple as any other ruleset. But ( Notwithstanding issues of Japanese
rules in general ) there are all sorts of problems regarding rule disputes. If
someone asks you to "prove" to them that a certain group is dead , you'll need
to diminish your own points in doing so. Calling an admin is your only option
... that is unless you're playing blitz which means you'll probably lose on
time if you try that.

Oh and while we're on filling liberties -- The KGS scoring system under Japa-
nese very often flat out give the wrong score if certain liberties haven't
been filled.

As wms points out, whilst you are factually correct, your point is not a good argument when noting that this is more often a problem in all other rulesets.

More accurate: The KGS scoring system under Japanese will *SOMETIMES* mis-score if certain dame points are left unfilled. The other scoring systems will *ALWAYS* mis-score if those same dame points are left unfilled.

It was a bad mistake of mine to try to auto-fill false eyes for players. It usually works, so players get careless, and sometimes when the algorithm mis-scores (due to unfilled dame), players don't notice. If filling all false eyes were required to ever score correctly, then people wouldn't get so careless. But by now it's too late, if I make things "right" people will be very upset when suddenly KGS starts scoring all their games "wrong." But calling the mis-scorings a reason why other rule sets are better is disingenuous.

Do Japanese Rules ( or their KGS implementation ) suck ?

Sometimes false eyes count as one point, that's what I noticed. But the occurrence is very rare. It happened maybe two times in my ~500 games.

Do Japanese Rules ( or their KGS implementation ) suck ?

The other scoring systems will *ALWAYS* mis-score if those same dame points are left unfilled.

now it's too late, if I make things "right" people will be very upset when suddenly KGS starts scoring all their games "wrong."

When you say it mis-scores, how do you mean? Does it count incorrectly, or does it show points on the board that shouldn't be counted. In other words, should I always fill dame, or should I just look at the board and see which points are being counted to know if it's correct?

Right, never trust a programmer about non-trivial implementations.

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What does false eyes mean? Is living with false-eyes no territory?

I always fill the dame when playing online, no matter which scoring system and no matter what server.

At the end of a game in person, you can say "hey, you've gotta fill once there" and they'll do it or you can play it out and then take back so they can defend if it's a casual game.

Online, since most servers try to "fix" internal dame for you, people get lazy about it. It often works, but I've been bitten enough times by points that needed to be filled but weren't, that I always play out dame now - never ever trust the server to get it right. Judging whether a defensive move needs to be made inside can be difficult, perhaps NP-hard. People wouldn't be willing to wait 15 seconds after passing for the server to fully evaluate every single chain, and frankly I still wouldn't trust it 100%. Best just to play them out.