I did a lot of reading and this seems to be the move that gives me the least amount of aji. I also couldn't find a way to live in sente. We'll see how this game goes from here.

Will it use hide tags?

Anyone else find doing tsumego has made situations like this drive them absolutely mad?

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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |[/go]

I'm sure I've seen tsumego that at least looked more alive than this...! But it's still too open eh. I'll defer to Magicwand and Yithril's feelings on the matter.

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[go]$$Wc I at least could lose as either player.
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 3 . . X 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |[/go]

i still dont think i am behind... so i will play calm.

Can any observer explain to me why MW doesn't think he is behind? If I was white in this position against an opponent of similar strength to me, I'd be thinking it was time to resign - sure, white has thickness, but that has to be translated into territory at some point, usually by attacking the opponent's groups. I don't see any weak black groups on the board, nor very much white territory given that large areas are still dead easy for black to invade or reduce. How can MW win this game?

Have you looked at these points of interest (for W)?

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . f e . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . g d . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sure, there's some interesting aji around each of those points, which will help white get something back. But I don't see how white can actually win the game from here, or even making it close, without killing a major group of black's (or reviving the dead O11 group) - and I see little prospect of either. I expect I will be educated as the game goes on though

I think it's pretty worth regarding that the first fifty moves were made on the right side of the board, in black's orthodox formation.

Black also has also not yet entered/reduced the bottom left- at all, really. We're about to see it, which is going to be very interesting. I think we might find black's play a little less ambitious than you are expecting.

Especially a few moves in the future, I think it is going to be interesting to compare the diagonal quadrants of this board.

i once said that points are good only to sacrifice for influence and thickness, yet i have to wonder whether white can make enough to win. i think black has an advantage on the board but not as overwhelming as it might look.

EdLee pointed out several big moves for white - upper right corner appear visually as a black's stronghold but it is still opened for white, who could actually get there few points for himself. aji in the lower right corner is weaker but there is some (possibly ko?).

still i find it hilarious that two 4ds can play a slow game and both be convinced that they are winning

... and anyone that doubts that 4dans are not OVER-confident:
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=732
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=819
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=932

Time to keep it simple and just take points. His move was interesting but I think he'll end up with less than what he bargained for. I see no reason not to directly take territory at this juncture.

I have the same feelings. I suppose this could be more interesting for black, but I'm quite unsure :

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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . 4 3 X 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 2 . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |[/go]

Of course, I'm sure thre's good refutations since neither of them tried anything yet.

only move..

below is most basic variaton one can think of..
and marked point in the middle will give me toomuch points in the middle...
also there is ko aji..a ~ i.
do i need to activate that aji??? i dont think i am losing yet so i will leave it as a threat.
i am sure it will bug my opponent to leave such aji in the middle.

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[go]$$Bcm79 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . C . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X h X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X g . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . f X e . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . d c . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . i X a . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . b X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . M . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . . X C . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X W . 8 . . . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hope this will clear many obs who were curious about my hiden thought.

IMHO, one move has a clear superiority over the other. Experience has shown that it is easier to subdivide eye space if it is long and thin rather than if it is lumpy. Also, experience has shown that it is easier to get eyes if the side is used for a long wall of one's eye space rather than a short wall.

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[go]$$Wc Long and thin. Side used for 3 stone of border
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . ? ? ? 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X ? 3 ? ? X 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Wc Thick and lumpy. Side used for 2 stones of border.
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X ? ? 4 3 X 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . ? ? X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 2 . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |[/go]

In I slow game, I'd analyze the first one to the end before reading a single move of the second. In a fast game, I'd choose the first without even reading.