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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #121 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sadly, I think I'm screwed here, I somehow didn't catch the variation starting with this move:

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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 5 , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O 5 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 3 4 O 1 2 O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Uh-oh. I'll take another look after he makes his next move, but I may have to resign.

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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #122 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that White gets a reasonable result here. Black can not block as below. So Black plays 2 at 3 below and White descends at 5, picking up one stone and threatening to connect at "a". That is what I am expecting next.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 X . . 9 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 1 X 8 X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 7 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O 3 4 O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X a . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #123 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I really can't find anything better than this. At least I end in sente?
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 7 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O 1 . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've lost almost all of my lead, but I may have enough solid points to win.

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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #124 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O 9 . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I win here as posted previously. If not, it won't be the first time an opponent has out-read me. :blackeye:

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Offline Jedo
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Post #125 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 0 O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #126 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #127 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . 4 . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't think I have any choice here. If I play the move that I wanted to play, I think he gets nasty sente against my group:


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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . a X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 9 X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 0 b . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White a black b. This seems pretty bad, since I only have one eye on the left side. With the move I made, I have two nice follow ups:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X c . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . 4 . b . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . a . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have a and b, and it looks like the sequence with white c is gote.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #128 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:38 pm 
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seems like he drew variation why it doesnt work for white and didnt see one more step..
if cut "b" then atari "a" and capture.
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 2 O O . O X . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . X . a X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 9 X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 0 b . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #129 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think White has caught up in territory now and has become very strong in the center of the board. I think I am better off to prevent Black making territory on the right and letting him play first on the bottom. But frankly this is the type of situation that I have a hard time deciding on. :scratch:

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Offline Jedo
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Post #130 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can I end with sente?
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . 8 9 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X X 6 . . . . . . . . . . a O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . b . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can I force him to connect at a and then reduce the middle? I'm not sure yet, but that cut looks pretty nasty. Assuming he connects, is b big enough? I don't think so becuase the focus is in the middle, ,but I'll have to take a closer look

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Post #131 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No comment on mine. The question is where will Black turn next. Later I will try to use the aji of "a" against Black in this area.

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Post #132 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was the move that I had planned. I think he'll just connect, because if I cut it's miai to either kill or destroy the center:
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . a . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | 1 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a and b as miai here. If he connects, might it be time to capture those stones on the bottom?
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . x . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 4 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The other nice thing about my chosen move is that it protects the P9 cutting point

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Post #133 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:06 pm 
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Isn't Jedo's latest a raw peep? (I guess this comes across as a rhetorical question, but I really am interested in commentary - I tend to cut wherever and whenever the cutting stones can get three liberties, which is probably overkill.)
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Post #134 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I accept the idea that :b20: was a forcing play. Black covers the cut around P9 but at the same time, White's bottom and right side groups are firmly connected and strengthened. So it is not a pure gain for Black. I was more concerned about getting into a wild fight if Black directly cut at P6 instead.

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Post #135 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:57 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Value: 49.2%

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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . 9 8 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . 6 5 O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 4 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . c . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . b . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . a . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a- 65%
b- 30%
c- 5%

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #136 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:48 pm 
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White is much better than last time I commented on this game. I think white has made up a good amount of the handicap. I think white has a 60% chance or so now.

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Post #137 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . 0 O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It must be here, without a doubt. The fact that 20 at 'a' protects the cut at P9 is irrelevant when, after allowing White to connect, the two stones that are protected aren't meaningful at all. On the other hand, killing the P4 stones is meaningful because it affects the stability of White's group at the bottom.
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Post #138 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't think I can let Black have 23 in the future with any hope to win, so I will let him choose where next. By itself though, :b22: is a good kikashi. Imagine the sequence below. That is what the equivalent will be if Black plays away next and I clamp :b22: in the game (shortage of liberties on my two stones to the left prevent me from pushing over the top and capturing his single stone as a way to connect).
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 2 O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . 1 4 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 5 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #139 Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . 4 . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

According to initial plan. There was also an argument to be made for standing up:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . a . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 4 O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 2 3 . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O b 6 5 7 . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Being able to play at a would be nice, but white's clamp at b would be super annoying.

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Post #140 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . O X . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X X O . . X . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . O . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O O X . , . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O X . . . . . 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . X . X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . X O . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . X . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that I probably lost this game in the last few plays. It is not that I was ahead before and am behind now, but I think that I had interesting chances before and have essentially none now. Let's ignore the question of whether C10 was too early. That sequence, which turned out better for White than it should have probably, ended (give or take) with Black playing H5. Now ever since I ignored Q9 in order to play C10, I had in mind that if I could end in sente I could go back and respond to Q9. However, since Black got in H5 in the mean time, there were actually two Black moves impacting my center/lower-side position: Q9 and H5. At this point I failed to reassess the overall position. I do this quite often and consider it an amateurish mistake. Each stone played on the board can have effects that ripple across our whole 19x19 world. I miss these things because I find it very difficult to build and maintain a good understanding and feeling for the whole-board situation. Normally, when things get busy I suffer from tunnel vision.

Looking at the result, I think I would have been better off to protect the lower side. The right side offers almost no follow up for White and pulling out the right-side stone has just "forced" Black to reduce my center potential. Meanwhile the territorial exchange on the bottom was a bigger gain for Black than the right was for White. Sigh! :blackeye:

Okey dokey, let's get on with it.

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