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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #161 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:52 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's really big, although gote. It should secure Black another corner with a decent amount of points, but the game is getting a bit closer and more interesting overall. Ok, let's tackle the middle now.


Spoiler:

Aiming at something like this:

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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . 5 7 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X 6 , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 4 X 3 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 2 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:w69: helps the bottom group, and :w71: keeps the aji up in the center. It's easy to treat both stones lightly if needs be. :b76: and :w77: will be very important.

EDIT: Actually, I may play :w71: on the other side. Separating has some good potential to either get "a" in sente, or to break through into the middle completely. Hmmm, maybe "a" is big enough to play now anyway.
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #162 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a peep, but I don't think white cutting through is big enough. In fact, I think I could allow white to take Q6 without suffering much -- it leaves some nasty cutting spots, but I think I have more ko threats (top-left is full of them), and so these two (now three) stones are the biggest issue.
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #163 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:35 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that was interesting. Now I can make miai of cutting and connecting to Q13. This could give me some of the complications I'm after. The ko I don't care about, cutting those 3 stones off is fairly big.
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Post #164 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Current reading:

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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 5 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . 4 X 7 X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or, perhaps instead of 8, a ko fight. Alternatively:

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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . 5 X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


K8 was, and is, big. Going to play it when possible, but the situation is not secure enough here.
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #165 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:23 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This might look small and gote, but it settles me completely


Spoiler:

And prepares this:

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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 7 X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #166 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:22 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X 6 . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Expecting:

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[go]$$Wcm69 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X 6 7 . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like it's sente for me, although white may choose not to play the last move...
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Post #167 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:44 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X 6 7 . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move that makes sense..
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Post #168 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:31 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . 1 4 X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X 6 7 . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm, if he pushes... Hm. I have a bad feeling about this, but it's probably nothing. I hope.
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Post #169 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:34 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 X . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Will leave that stone for now, connecting it could be sente later.
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Offline Sevis
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Post #170 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Going to trust my sense of shape. I don't think I can stop white from escaping, so I'll try to keep this part strong and gain something somewhere else. Yay for thought-out plans.
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Post #171 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:36 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Huzzah, I'm in!

FWIW sevis, the damage to your shape caused by allowing me to break inside whilst connecting to a completely settled and alive group is pretty large - why did you decide against playing :b78: at :w79: ?
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Sevis:
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Going to trust my sense of shape.
This is broken shape for B:
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[go]$$W
$$. . . . . .
$$. Y @ @ . .
$$. . @ Y X .
$$. O . . . .[/go]
Often the cut :b2: is the first feeling, as topazg hinted at (but there are exceptions, of course):
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[go]$$W
$$. . . . . .
$$. X 2 O . .
$$. . 1 X . .
$$. O . . . .[/go]
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Offline Sevis
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Post #173 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:58 am 
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The reason I didn't want to cut there is the rather convenient possibility it gives you:

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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 2 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 X 4 6 . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . 3 5 . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X 6 X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd say I still like the current result better, although it isn't too clear. Two :b82:s present, because I don't yet know which one I'd play.


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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Spoiler.

Probably no use putting it in spoiler tags, but wanted to try it once.

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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 9 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . 0 X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O 7 4 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O 6 O 5 . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . 8 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is what I can foresee, and it looks bad for both, but worse for white.
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Offline topazg
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Post #174 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:07 am 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O 5 . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only move.


Spoiler:

Has he misread something? He can't cut me here, and he's creating a lot of real danger for himself on both sides :S
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Post #175 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 3 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 1 X 2 . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O 6 O 5 . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #176 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:57 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Sevis:
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I'd say I still like the current result better, although it isn't too clear.
It's very clear the current result is a disaster for B, both locally and globally.

The exchange of :b80: and :w81: is also bad:
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[go]$$Bm80
$$. . . . . . .
$$. X O O . . .
$$. 1 O X X . .
$$. O 2 . . . .
$$. . X . X O .
$$ X X . . . O .[/go]

It is more broken shape for B, and all the local B stones are damaged:
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[go]$$Bm80
$$. . . . . . .
$$. X O O . . .
$$. Y @ X X . .
$$. @ @ . . . .
$$. . Y . X O .
$$ X X . . . O .[/go]
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Sevis:
Sevis wrote:
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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X 2 O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 X 4 6 . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . 3 5 . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X 6 X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Two :b82:s present, because I don't yet know which one I'd play.
The outer :b82: is a natural move and shared point for both B and W:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X 1 . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O O . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If W gets it, W makes a strong tiger's mouth shape and pushes B around:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O 3 4 . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X 2 . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O O . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X 1 X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #179 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:37 pm 
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The last 4-5 moves cost Black a lot. This game should be easily a White win now.
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Post #180 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:38 pm 
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First of all, I'd like to thank EdLee for the commentary so far; I wonder if it will perhaps have been fairer if the last few ones were marked as spoilers, seeing as they may affect the game, but it's certainly good to see my errors soon after I make them.

Interesting about K8, I would probably have chosen to save J6 instead (it feels important, although I see no reason why it would be).

Now, to decide what to do about all this. It is now obvious even to me that my last three turns were mistakes (and that I had misread the last two). First of all, probably a good idea to do a count:

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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | w w w w w w w w . . . w w w w w w w w |
$$ | w w w w w w O . . . . w w w w w w w w |
$$ | w w O O . O . . . . . . w w O O O w w |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | b b X b b X . . . . . . . . . . X b b |
$$ | b b b b b . . . . . . . . . X X O b b |
$$ | b b b b . . . . . . . . . . . O X b b |
$$ | b b X b . . . . . . . . . . . . X b b |
$$ | . X b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O w w w |
$$ | w O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O w w |
$$ | w w X O . X O X X . . . . . X O w w w |
$$ | w w O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O w |
$$ | w O w . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O w O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X b b b |
$$ | . X b b X X O w w O w . X . b b b b b |
$$ | b b b b X O w w w w w . . b b b b b b |
$$ | b b b b . . w w w w w . . b b b b b b |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



White has 16+20+11+13+7+1 = 68
Black has 18+10+10+20 = 58
And that's assuming I didn't miscount. Guessing from how far behind I got so far, I expect the territory on the top-left to be reduced by half and the territory on the top-right to vanish entirely (and probably die). Now, to figure out a way to stop those two things happening, and I might lose by not too great an amount.

I think that playing F11 is going to make it harder to reduce that part. If the top-right is attacked, it can still run, so I think I can save it later. F12 looks good, too, but it leaves too wide an opening -- a white invasion there would cost me more than losing the F9 stones would.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . 7 . X . X O . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X X O . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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