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Offline EdLee
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Post #181 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wm80 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O 1 O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
The best aji.

Before :b79:, I was expecting B to push first;
with the resulting cuts, W is much thinner and the aji is not good:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . 2 . .
$$ | . . . O O 1 O .
$$ | . . . X X X O .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------[/go]

For example, even after the ponnuki with :w8:,
there's still funny business with (a)...(d), etc.:
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[go]$$B Variation 1
$$ | . X . X . O X O .
$$ | . . . X . X O O .
$$ | . . . . . . X . .
$$ | . . X . . X . . O
$$ | . X . . d . . a .
$$ | . X O . . 2 . . .
$$ | . O . . c O 1 . .
$$ | . . b O O X O 6 .
$$ | . . . X X X O 5 8
$$ | . . . . . . 3 4 .
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]

Or, B still has (e) later:
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[go]$$W Variation 2
$$ | . X . X . O X O .
$$ | . . . X . X O O .
$$ | . . . . . . X . .
$$ | . . X . . X . . O
$$ | . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . e . 1 . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . O . .
$$ | . X . X X X O . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]

Given my earlier mis-read (Post #171),
I would've had to play :w3: after :w1:, and there's a weakness at (f):
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[go]$$W Variation 3
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . f . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . .
$$ | . . . X X 1 3 5 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . 2 4 6 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Or:
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[go]$$W Variation 4
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . .
$$ | . . . X X . 1 5 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . 4 2 3 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]
Or we're back to the original push with cuts:
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[go]$$W Variation 5
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . 7 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O 6 5 . . O . .
$$ | . . . X X 4 1 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . 2 3 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -------------------------[/go]

So it seems W should be satisfied with the current local result. :-|
(p)
Yes, :w80: is the best aji, and yes, B should've pushed first, to make 2 cuts for W.


Last edited by EdLee on Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #182 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:49 pm 
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@Both players: I just unhid some possibilities that you didn't take. ( Posts 173, 175, 178 and 179 )

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Post #183 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:20 am 
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Thanks Joaz. (The top of Post #173 is not quite ready to be unhidden yet...
I stopped reading immediately.
I'd better not read any of them until you double check they're safe first. :))
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Post #184 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:28 am 
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[go]$$Wm80 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O 2 . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O 1 O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Now, let's see if I can get the result I want out of this.

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[go]$$Wm80 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O 2 . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O a . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . 6 . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O 1 O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


'a' and 'b' are gote for both of us, and close in size (although 'a' is slightly bigger). So, I'm going to treat them at miai. If I can get to this board position, I think I'm about 10 points ahead.
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Post #185 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:52 am 
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A bit unexpected. :b81: is not exactly small, but it just doesn't seem quite big or urgent,
as the (a) area seems mostly neutral. Unless I missed something. :)
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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O 2 . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Wm82 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 1 O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Candidate (b) for :w80: (Post #180), which was not sente at the time,
but is now sente, I think. Side effects:
- Keep the :bc: group separated (in sente);
- Even if :b1: now, W still ends in sente (I think):
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . X . . X . . O .
$$ | . B . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X 2 X X X O . . .
$$ | . . 3 . . 1 4 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
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Post #187 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:48 am 
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Hey Ed;
You mentioned you were considering b4 for 80. Could you share a little of your reading concerning that? I find the play after white b4 black tenuki confusing.

Also more relevantly;

What do you see as the big points on this board ?

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Post #188 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:47 am 
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[go]$$Wm82 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 1 O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, he can push and cut, but only by giving me sente again, which may be points on the bottom or it may be one of the other big points I highlighted - either way, bigger than the loss of C3. I'll be surprised if he doesn't block, let me connect (fixing the push and cut), and then return to my last point, as it's increased the aji around there in my favour quite a lot. I may even by able to find a way of saving those two stones on the left in sente.
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Post #189 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:16 am 
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Immediate concern is to try to end in sente here.
Loons,
Actually I did not read that far for :w1:, because it seemed I would get the bad aji from the cuts and lose sente:
(I guess topazg and I have been eyeing the same big points forever :)...)
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[go]$$W
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . C X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O C . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . C . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . C . |
$$ | . X . . . . C . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 1 O O . O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm84 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
If :b2: tenuki, there are some choices:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X a X X X O . . .
$$ | . . c . . b X 1 . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
If :b2:, W keeps the liberty and a ko threat:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X . X X X O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . .
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]

If :w84: at the push :wc: directly:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X W X X X O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . X . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]

Then, If :b7: at (a)...(f), seems dead.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X W X X X O . a c e . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 2 3 5 X 1 b d f . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B :b3: tenuki, :b11: (g), :w12: (h), :b13: (j) life.
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | h O . . . . . . . .
$$ | g j O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X W X X X O . . .
$$ | 5 4 1 8 . 0 X 2 . .
$$ | 9 6 7 . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B :b3: tenuki, :b11: (k) connects.
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | k O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | 7 X W X X X O . . .
$$ | 6 4 1 8 . 0 X 2 . .
$$ | 9 5 . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
If B replies, we're back to the :w1: :b2: exchange:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . X O . . . . . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O
$$ | . X 1 X X X O . . .
$$ | . . 2 . . . X 3 . .
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
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Post #191 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:00 am 
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[go]$$Wm84 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


That fixes the push and cut.
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[go]$$Wm86 Prisoners :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
On this board I think I can only keep sente for a very short time.
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Offline topazg
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Post #193 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:16 am 
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[go]$$Wm86 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


How mean, I wanted to get that :D
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #194 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:50 am 
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My prediction:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . 3 . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #195 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:13 pm 
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I sincerely apologise for my selfishness, but I'm going to choose to resign this game as well rather than spoil it through a lack of thought and care.

Ed, you are far stronger than 4k in my opinion, and for the majority of this game I think you simply outplayed me. With a game of a move in the left middle to the control of the game for the next few moves, you had me hook line and sinker. Allowing me to cut at the top and live in the corner in sente I think put you slightly behind, but I don't feel I deserved to be ahead.

Congratulations, and thank you for a fascinating game :)
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Offline EdLee
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Post #196 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:22 pm 
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Topazg, thank you very much.

It's interesting how the two players can have very different perspectives.
When I went to sleep last night, I was not even sure if you would block with :b87:,
and after that, I thought this was still going to be a tough end-game for me.
I still have not read any of the hidden comments (including Joaz's recent unhidden ones),
so it'll be like opening treasures.

Maybe I can post my thoughts and questions about the current situation a bit later.

Thank you very much again. :)
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Offline hman
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Post #197 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:40 am 
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Ed, Topazg,

this game and the comments were really nice. :clap: :clap: :clap:
I think I won't be the only one glad of seeing another Malkovich like this. Whenever you both will be able to afford the time, of course.
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Post #198 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:16 am 
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You are very welcome :)

Please feel free to go through all my past moves and ask questions on why I rejected moves, why I didn't consider moves, and what reading I'd done in specific areas. The bulk of the iceberg never got written down, but it's still sitting around in my head for those curious about it :)
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Offline EdLee
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Post #199 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:03 pm 
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hman, thank you. In the spirit of a treasure hunt,
I've sprinkled pro notes at various vista points, like this:
(p)
Evaluation at :b87: -- Still a close game:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . b X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O X . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . e . |
$$ | . O O a . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . f . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X h . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . d . |
$$ | . X . g . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . X j X X X O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . O 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . k . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
(a) and (b) are the 2 biggest end-game moves, basically miai.
(b) is probably bigger than (a) in points; however,
W(a) is very good aji for W, after which W is very strong in the center,
so W wants (a). But the sequence is very important:

Wrong order for W: if W(a),B(c), then if W(d) now, B would not reply at (h) but would play (e) in sente.
Correct order for W: W(d) now, since B(e) is not sente now -- W would (b) -- B must reply with (h);
now W(a),B(c), at which point (e) is sente for both, so W gets it.
Then W has the (j) push and (k) hane in sente.
Since B has the two groups that not 100% settled, W has more places
to gain points (e.g. (f) and (g)), whereas B does not.
So pros would likely prefer W.
Conclusion: at our levels, everything is up for grabs yet. :-|

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Post #200 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:24 am 
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EdLee wrote:
hman, thank you. In the spirit of a treasure hunt,
I've sprinkled pro notes at various vista points, like this:

Nice, thank you.
For these Malkovich games I go through the whole thing, open every HIDE tag, and print it on PDF and then paper for offline perusal, so be certain I'll study those :D

(although opening all those tags is hideous, need to learn Greasemonkey or something similar for that)
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