Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)

smartgo · **#21**

thequietcenter wrote:

I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ... notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

It's a bug, but it's easy to work around. SmartGo uses the current player instead of the color of the first numbered move. So you can change the player before choosing Edit > Copy as ASCII by choosing Play > Black/White to Play.

If you insert a diagram node (Edit > Insert Diagram) to show a sequence of moves, and choose Copy as ASCII while you're at that diagram node, the color will be correct. This is the intended usage, but of course it should work with whatever you have showing on the board.

thequietcenter · **#22**

oren wrote:

Needed to change the top to $$Bc from $$Wc

If you think I'm manually editing ascii diagrams instead of using my SmartGo editor, well.... go ahead and think that, but it aint happenin'

Aphelion · **#23**

From a observer's point of view, its nicer and easier to read ascii diagrams. Also I can't read the sgfs very well on my smartphone, which I use fairly often.

From the experience of a player, editting an ascii diagram isn't very hard or time consuming.

thequietcenter · **#24**

Aphelion wrote:

From a observer's point of view, its nicer and easier to read ascii diagrams. Also I can't read the sgfs very well on my smartphone, which I use fairly often.

From the experience of a player, editting an ascii diagram isn't very hard or time consuming.

Hey dude! Long time no see. You are at 4k. Nice going. I'm not cooperating with Ascii diagrams, end of story. It's easier and more convenient for me to do it how I'm doing it.

Sevis · **#25**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This seems to lead to interesting and fairly nice results. I'm not a fan of e, it simply never works out for me the way I want it to. A double pincer could work, too, but I haven't played with those enough for it to be safe.

Edit with more thoughts:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This looks reasonable, but I think he needs the marked stone to not get cut to pieces.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b 3 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Not quite sure what this will lead to -- if he play a, he can get a wall facing the bottom, but I'll also get a good deal of strength on the topic; I'm hoping it will be enough to capture the corner.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 5 3 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This does not feel nice at all... I will need to plan out this line further, in case he plays it.

I see nothing wrong with plain-text diagrams, but suit yourself.

thequietcenter · **#26**

Sevis · **#27**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Yay, fun version! Let's break joseki and try to get some benefit out of this. I still have the option to play it after this move, though.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Topazg played this against me in our malkovich... I think black gets too much out of it in this position.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O 8 X 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I don't like this.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X 7 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 6 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O 0 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I think this may end in gote...

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Yeah, I'll need to protect...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

The corner is big, but I'm not sure it's that big. Might just play joseki. Perhaps playing at Q10 would have been better (but would have given him a good extension).

Another variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This way, I think black can keep the corner, but he is badly cut. As black, I would prefer the previous result.

thequietcenter · **#28**

joseki move

Aphelion · **#29**

^Prime example of why sgfs aren't suited for this.

oren · **#30**

Aphelion wrote:

^Prime example of why sgfs aren't suited for this.

Yeah, I was pretty confused by what the current move is.

thequietcenter · **#31**

oren wrote:

Aphelion wrote:

^Prime example of why sgfs aren't suited for this.

Yeah, I was pretty confused by what the current move is.

thequietcenter · **#32**

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][pf][qg:qh][qp][oq]
AW[dd][nd][qf][pg][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

Sevis · **#33**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm12 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

thequietcenter · **#34**

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[pd][qe][pf][qg:qh][qp][oq]
AW[pc][dd][nd][qf][pg][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

joseki move

Sevis · **#35**

If it's not too much work, could you please mark the stone you play?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm12 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Mosdefgo · **#36**

I love reading the thoughts of Go players in a game. Their just so...colorful.

thequietcenter · **#37**

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[lc][pd][qe][pf][qg:qh][qp][oq]
AW[pc:qc][dd][nd][qf][pg][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

Joseki move.

Sevis · **#38**

If it's not too much work, could you please mark the stone you play?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 2 . O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

thequietcenter · **#39**

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
PW[Sevis]WR[8k]
PB[metaperl]BR[10k]WT[KGS]BT[KGS]
AB[ic][lc][pd][qe][pf][qg:qh][qp][oq]
AW[nc:nd][pc:qc][dd][qf][pg][dp]
PL[W])[/sgf-full]

EdLee · **#40**

For Sevis (after the game),

Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)

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