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Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:45 pm ]
Post subject:  39. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Magicwand is playing me again at 4 stones. There is nothing for me to say, really. Good luck, Magicwand.

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I don't know how long this will continue. Do I even know how to play go?

Author:  Marcus [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Good luck to both! Looking forward to the game.

Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

I'm really enjoying this series! I think I'd bet on Kirby this time, if we were betting... :)

Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

daniel_the_smith wrote:
I'm really enjoying this series! I think I'd bet on Kirby this time, if we were betting... :)


Sure about that? ;)

Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

How can black possibly lose with four extra stones? ;-)

Author:  Bill Spight [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

I can't bear to watch.

OC, I will. ;) It's like watching a train wreck. Whose train it will be, I don't know.

Author:  SpongeBob [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

I assume Magicwand has a lot more experience with playing Handicap games. Might that be right, Kirby?

Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

SpongeBob wrote:
I assume Magicwand has a lot more experience with playing Handicap games. Might that be right, Kirby?


I think I am just weak. I can't say much else...

Author:  ketchup [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

Kirby wrote:
Magicwand is playing me again at 4 stones. There is nothing for me to say, really. Good luck, Magicwand.

I don't know how long this will continue. Do I even know how to play go?


Kirby, please, please do not get discouraged by these games. I hope you enjoy them rather than make it something stressful on yourself. You could also just share in the beatings and give the weaker kyus some things to think about too :)

Author:  Marcus [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

LOL, just noticed your rank label, Kirby.

You'll be fine in this game, I'm sure.

Author:  Magicwand [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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i am pretty sure you are going to win this...
but remember compliacency kills. if you dont give 100% you might lose...
good luck

Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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Well, I feel kind of like a loser, but as Magicwand pointed out in another thread, the point is for me to keep trying to improve. So I have lost before, and played some silly handicaps, but that is in the past. I will continue to try to improve.

Let's see if I can play better this game.

A tight pincer makes sense to me here. If black does the 3-3, I will get influence. If he jumps out again, the result should still be good for me.

Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

On one hand, I feel like it is a lose lose situation. If I win the game, it's because I had a handicap. If I lose, well... I lose.

But as Magicwand pointed out, the point is for me to try to improve. So in either case, if I can accomplish this, I don't really lose, but I win.

Author:  Magicwand [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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Author:  Kirby [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

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No choice.

Author:  daal [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

For Kirby:

You have posted 5 times. In every post, you have displayed a resigned, negative, beaten attitude. I have sympathy for this, considering that this game comes so close on the heels of the last one, but contrast this with your early postings in game 3 in which you displayed an over-confident attitude while making small plays. It really looks to me from the outside as if your emotional responses are a bad influence. Surely situations arise in a game which cause emotional reactions, but what I'm seeing is that you are allowing your emotional backdrop to set the stage. This is not a good plan. The attitude I would suggest is this: Look at the board, find the spot that simultaneously helps you the most and bothers your opponent the most, whack down your stone and say: "chew on that!"

Author:  Solomon [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

I think Kirby should stop playing and take a breather. The quality of his games has been absolutely crumbling since the first and the last one especially was very poor; e.g: the sequence in the center for life was something I would see in a 10k game. I get the feeling people are not here to learn or contribute much to analysis (except for Bill), but to simply watch with sympathy how Kirby handles a situation here or there as Magicwand plays the menacing bully.

To add contribution to this post, I'm a bit saddened that the only thing Kirby wrote for the last move was "No choice" because there is more to that move than what meets the eye. Kirby had the perfect opportunity there to discuss the difference between Q6 and R6 for instance. Or answer why the move of R7, which is typically seen as a direct response to the approach, is not appropriate here. Or answer why, when White has support in the R10/R9 area, pros consider the somewhat strange move of Q2. There was so much he could have talked about, and he certainly did have a choice.

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Author:  Kirby [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

daal wrote:
For Kirby:

You have posted 5 times. In every post, you have displayed a resigned, negative, beaten attitude. I have sympathy for this, considering that this game comes so close on the heels of the last one, but contrast this with your early postings in game 3 in which you displayed an over-confident attitude while making small plays. It really looks to me from the outside as if your emotional responses are a bad influence. Surely situations arise in a game which cause emotional reactions, but what I'm seeing is that you are allowing your emotional backdrop to set the stage. This is not a good plan. The attitude I would suggest is this: Look at the board, find the spot that simultaneously helps you the most and bothers your opponent the most, whack down your stone and say: "chew on that!"


You are right, daal. It is difficult for me to be totally oblivious to my emotions, but I will try to have a more positive attitude. I will also try to play a game without mistakes.

Author:  entropi [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

This series is a good demonstration of the importance of the attitude. The last two games felt like blitz frenzy games, even though it was above my level, it was not too difficult to feel the attitudes.

Kirby is obviously much stronger than how he played in the last game. It's his negative attitude that lost the last two games.

Whenever I am scared of my opponent, I miss the opportunities to punish his weaknesses. Therefore, the general attitude should be more "come on it's just a game, let's try that strange move and see how he reacts". If you take it too seriously, you psychologically limit yourself to what you certainly know, which can never be enough against a stronger opponent.

I have nothing against magicwand but I support kirby, whatever the outcome of the game is :)

Author:  entropi [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 39. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 4

For Kirby:
Kirby wrote:
I will also try to play a game without mistakes.

You are stronger than me, but fearing mistakes seems to be worse than making them, especially against the style of magicwand. Magicwand also makes a lot of mistakes, the main reason why you fail to punish them is because you try to play mistake-free yourself.

Well, that's just my opinion and I am a couple of stones weaker than you... Just for you to consider.

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