Life In 19x19 :: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)

Alright, White is playing a peaceful move. To be honest, I thought I'd be pincered.

Here's what I hope will happen from here. It's a pretty common continuation.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm7 Part 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , 0 9 7 . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . X 8 2 5 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 Part 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 8 W B B . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . 6 X W W B B . . . . 9 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 1 W # W 5 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 3 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I get sente back with :b25:

... will he jump in with :w8:

? The other possibility is:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm7 Peaceful $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 5 . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . 4 3 . X . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure where I'd go after this ... Is 7 worth protecting at this juncture? Do I try a tenuki? Where? I'll have to think about it if it comes up.

I don't know much about tewari, but this might be an example of it! In case he plays the natural response E4, then his marked stone looks misplaced!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , 1 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is the same as if this sequence is played, in which you'd rather play :b4:

at 'a'!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , 2 . a . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . 1 X . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's see if he has a different response prepared

In any case, D3 gives me a solid corner and a follow-up at E4 if he tenukis!

I'm trying to take this Malkovich game more seriously and write out detailed thoughts. I'm trying to incorporate a bunch of new ideas into my gameplay, and writing them out seems like a good way to sort them out and make useful applications to my game.

Ok, let's see what's going on here.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Jump? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . 1 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

For some reason, my first instinct is to make this one space jump at 'a', running into the center. As soon as I think about that, though, I can just see Bill Spight posting "Jowa says don't run" ... :lol:

I'm not even completely sure what that means, though I have a bit of an idea.

I'll come back to this when I discuss my options.

So, let's not immediately jump out. Instead, let's examine my options.

First, my group is already very solid. Any pressure :w14:

is putting on my group is minimal, I think. I have several options to settle the group right now into unassailable territory. I mentioned previously that each move made in a local area is of reduced potential for points due to the influence of the stones all around. This area of the board has become very crowded. The top and the right sides are both much more interesting. Tenuki may be a good option here.

What I need to do is make a plan. First I need to loosely decide how I expect the game to go, and choose a few moves that I definitely want to get. Let's look at the board:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 First Cash Exchange $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | S S . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | S S . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | S S O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | S S S O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | S S S . . C X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | S S S . . C C C . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We've had our first exchange in White's lower left corner. I call it White's corner, because White played in that local area first. It is natural for White to get more cash out of this corner, since White should never have fewer stones than Black if all plays are made locally. Now, with both groups mostly settled, the question becomes how each group can be used. White's corner looks like it should be able to naturally expand along the left side. Before :w14:

, Black's group on the bottom was set to be able to expand towards the bottom right. White made a choice to limit that expansion. I'd like to do the same to White's possible expansion on the left, so I would like to play somewhere around there eventually. I think C9 would be nice:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Black limits the left side $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . d . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I chose C9 ( :bs:

) with the idea that it would be flexible. If White attacks my 4-4 with C14 ('a'), I can make an ideal extension to C12 ('b'), which is also a pincer. If White approaches C9 directly by playing at C11 ('c'), I can jump under to B6 ('d') to make a (cramped) base to jump out from.

The timing isn't right for C9 right now, though. The board is still very open, and White can build some great thickness towards the center or take a lot of profit in the upper left corner. I need to make sure what I gain from playing C9 balances what White gains from attacking C9. In order to time it right, though, I need to have sente at the right time.

We'll put C9 aside for now. The two biggest areas of the board are the top and right sides.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Big sides $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR R10 R16} $$ {AR R10 R4} $$ {AR K17 Q17} $$ {AR K17 D17}[/go]

K16 or K17 would be huge, but I'm not as concerned about getting this point. It doesn't look like this game will turn into a moyo game, so I want to look at countering whatever strategies my opponent has instead of simply taking big points wherever they are (I'll take it if my opponent gives it to me, though).

That leaves the right side. I'd like to approach his Q4 stone, and would likely do so at R6. Of course, with :w14:

at L3, the pincer is inevitable in that local area:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 White is happy to pincer $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O 5 . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . 4 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I do keep sente, so it's not a bad an exchange for me, but White gets a good wall facing an almost ideal extension. White gets to use his L3 stone well, and my Black group is looking more and more swallowed. Maybe I should step back and look again at Black's bottom group. There's a piece of wisdom that says you should try not to get sealed in. Right now, my group is not sealed in, and has potential towards the center in a couple places:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . @ . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X @ . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR F3 F6} $$ {AR J3 J6}[/go]

The

stones are just sitting there right now, hanging off Black's group. It wouldn't take much to connect them to the left, though. I have to be careful not to lose access to the center from this group. I may want to play locally just to keep that access. Options?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Local options $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . c . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . b . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think these three options ('a' to 'c') are reasonable to consider. First, the one space jump:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Break Sector Lines? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {LN D6 L3}[/go]

Way up top, I mentioned Bill's "Jowa says don't run" advice. If my bottom group was weak, this one space jump would definitely be considered running. My group isn't weak, though. In this case, I THINK I'm breaking a sector line. I don't really know, because all the information I know about sector lines is what I've gleaned from reading posts on L19 and GD. So, perhaps I have the concept wrong. However, I do think that D6 and L3 form a sector line, and jumping like this breaks that sector line. It also keeps access to the center for my group, which is also important, and threatens to capture those two stones sitting on my wall. Eventually, capturing those stones will be worth quite a bit and White will either have to concede them to me, or will have to spend a move to save them. Either way, I can profit from it.

My only issue with this move is that it seems to give White exactly what he wants: I'm responding to his move so he keeps sente and dictates the flow of the game. :w14:

gives him some nice potential on the bottom right with Q4 in place. I want to make the game difficult on White, so I need to find a way to limit that potential.

Next option, settle with L2:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Settle $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O a . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks great to me. It's simple, feels natural, makes my group completely safe, and because of the cut at 'a' it should be sente (though I bet my opponent would at least consider tenuki from here). However, Black is still under threat of being sealed in on the bottom later on in the game.

Final local thought is to pincer White's stone:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Pincer ... White has numerous responses $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . c . b d . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The pincer looks interesting. It reduces what White was trying to gain on the lower right. However, there are so many variations, and I can't be sure I'll come out with the sente that I want to have.

Too often I discard the natural feeling move for something complicated, like this pincer. I'm going to play the natural move to settle at L2. Possible continuation of the game:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Possible Continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O 4 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what feels natural. Of course, White may block in the other direction after the jump to R3 on this board:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 New way to block $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 . | $$ | . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O 3 4 7 | $$ | . . . O X X O . X . O @ . . . . 2 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . X X . # # @ . . 0 . . 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't see this as bad for Black. Cash in the corner, a group of White stones at L3 to attack, and no weak groups for White to easily exploit. White can attack at 'a' and try to make the right side into profit. I'll have to think about a response if this is the board we reach.

Now, watch as my opponent plays tenuki immediately and throws all my thoughts out the window.

Author:	Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:	60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Nigiri (number of white stones I chose):

Author:	Marcus [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
I say even . checks Looks like I'm black. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Good luck and have fun! So, how y'all doin'? Let's talk a bit about my opening ... I'm not very good with it. I seem to have two modes of play: local and overplay. It's time I tried something new. I think I'll try playing a Nirensei opening.

Author:	Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Have fun! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm2 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I instinctively opened your hidden comment and then quickly closed it again, when I realized, that I'm not supposed to read your comments in this game! Let's leave him the choice of playing a diagonal fuseki! I don't have a plan for the opening yet, but I don't want him to get a big moyo! I'm not good at reducing moyos!

Author:	Marcus [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm3 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Heh, not to worry, it was only a comment about the perfect move. Feels odd to play this opening. The 4-4 is supposed to be flexible and quick to develop. I personally am much more comfortable with the flexibility (and complexity) of the 3-4. However, I keep saying in these games that I want to try and play a solid and calm game. It hasn't happened yet, so maybe this will drive the game in a new and (hopefully) more peaceful direction. ... I doubt it, though ...

Author:	Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm4 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This one – compared to D3 – does not give black a perfect approach to my corner! I didn't want to play another 4-4, because I don't like the symmetry and I also want to make him approach my lower left instead of playing sanrensei!

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Author:	Marcus [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm5 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] The question is ... should I approach high or low? Playing on the 3rd line in the opening is a territory-oriented move, usually. I've had some success lately in trying to play a balanced game in the opening, trying not to keep the number of 3rd and 4th line plays roughly equal. Since I've played two 4-4 stones in this game, I think I'll try playing the low approach. I should be able to end in sente and make another big move. One thing I should probably avoid is over-zealous tenukis like in my previous Malkovich game against Redundant. I took some pretty big points, but left my group horribly weak, and gave Redundant multiple groups of stones he could then attack for profit. Since I want a solid and peaceful game, I should try to keep the number of weak groups I make to a minimum. Easier said than done ...

Author:	Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm6 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Let's play peaceful here! Getting sente would be ideal!

Author:	Marcus [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm7 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Alright, White is playing a peaceful move. To be honest, I thought I'd be pincered. Here's what I hope will happen from here. It's a pretty common continuation. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm7 Part 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , 0 9 7 . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X 8 2 5 1 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 Part 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O 8 W B B . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 6 X W W B B . . . . 9 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . 1 W # W 5 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . 3 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I get sente back with ... will he jump in with ? The other possibility is: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm7 Peaceful $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 8 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O 5 . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . 4 3 . X . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I'm not sure where I'd go after this ... Is 7 worth protecting at this juncture? Do I try a tenuki? Where? I'll have to think about it if it comes up.

Author:	Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Was his last move joseki? It's too tempting to jump in, I can't resist!

Author:	Marcus [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm9 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] And so it begins ... let's see if he deviates from what I expect.

Author:	Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I don't know much about tewari, but this might be an example of it! In case he plays the natural response E4, then his marked stone looks misplaced! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , 1 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X . O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This is the same as if this sequence is played, in which you'd rather play at 'a'! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , 2 . a . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 X . 3 . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Let's see if he has a different response prepared In any case, D3 gives me a solid corner and a follow-up at E4 if he tenukis!

Author:	Marcus [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X 1 O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] That was unexpected. Can't say it's wrong, though. As Magicwand is fond of pointing out: "one stone is aji". There are a few ideas that went through my mind when I saw White's move. First of all, it's usually a good idea to respond to a kick: Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Bcm1 When kicked, stand up $$ . . . . . . 4 . . . \| $$ . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ , . . . 3 . O . . . \| $$ . . . . 1 2 . . . . \| $$ . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ -------------------[/go]` I'm sure we've all seen this before. is the "kick", to which Black needs to respond. Black needs to strengthen , and so "stands up" with . What about in the game, though? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Stand Up Here? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , 2 . b a . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 X . @ . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Look at the stone ... I would expect it to be at either a or b, since the exchange of and make me strong. in relation to seems slack. Consider the moves in a different order (tewari? Someone tell me if that's the right term): Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Another way to reach the same position $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , 2 . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 X . 5 . 4 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I admit ... in this diagram looks like a terrible move. However, the response of is needlessly defensive. Still, E5 doesn't look bad. However, that's just the first option. I can think of at least one other: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Wedge? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 X 2 @ . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I THINK this is considered a "wedge" though my terminology might be wrong. I'm "wedging" between and to keep them separated. becomes a single stone ... aji for W to try and use later. However, I'm more or less settled with my group, which is what I want to try and do with my groups in this game. In all cases, though, I think it is White's turn to tenuki now. He's secure in the lower left corner and is an unimportant stone right now.

Author:	Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm12 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . 1 . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This looks strange! I'm going to pull my stone out, because it is sente (threatens to cut his group) and because if I tenuki and he plays there later, his group becomes really strong! If I save my stone, it's weak – not weak enough to be killed, but weak enough to make profit by attacking it!

Author:	Marcus [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm13 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I'm connected now ... and I'd say I'm pretty settled. I'm not sure I agree with White's move here, but I can't really find a fault in it. I'm forced to settle my group, so White keeps sente. However, I'm still not convinced that White's G3 and G4 stones are very valuable, and he's forcing me to make my more valuable group safer by threatening to cut immediately. It's a minor thing ... maybe I just like the idea that White could play at sometime later to better use the aji of the G3 stone. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Possible activation of aji at a later time? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I don't like wasting aji. Moving on, looking to the future moves, the bottom no longer looks very appealing for White. Black has hunkered down and made some territory there, and the bottom will have to be shared between the players (boo! I want it all! ). So, what's left? Here comes a whole bunch of lower-case letters! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Next Move? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . g . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . b , . . . . . , . . . . . e . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . f . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] First, I want to talk about 'a' (C8). I have watched a few lessons on KGS given by shygost, and one of the things I've taken out of those is the idea of "finishing" a local play. The idea is that a local group is "unfinished" in the opening unless to extend to a point on the 3rd line. The reasoning is that if you leave a group with a termination point on the 4th line (like in the diagram), you leave a point of attack for your opponent. The simplest example to demonstrate is the difference between the two most basic joseki I know: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Two 4-4 joseki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . C . . . . . . y . x . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . . . C . . . . . , . . . 2 . # . 3 . \| $$ \| . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . C . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . \| $$ \| . . . Y . . . . . , . . . . . C . . . \| $$ \| . . 4 . . 1 . . 5 . . . . . . . C . . \| $$ \| . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Let's compare in both corners. In the upper right (around ), is played high, on the 4th line. After , Black's group can still be attacked around 'x' (M17). However, Black can play at 'y' (K17), using his initial 4-4 ( ) to reach far along the top side. The downside is that Black gives up sente. Sente is a big advantage throughout the game, and it's important to look for opportunities to keep sente when you can ... especially in the opening of the game. For this reason, many players will play on the 3rd line for unless they have an important reason not to (for instance, if Black already has a stone at K17). Now look at the lower left (around ). Here, is played on the 3rd line. After , Black can't be so easily attacked. It's a smaller piece of territory that Black is trying to swallow, but Black gets sente and can then move on to bigger moves around the board. Back to the game: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Next Move? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . e . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . b , . . . . . , . . . . . d . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . @ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . c . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] White could stretch out towards 'b' (C10) to try and "finish" the local plays. While it feels like a big move to me, White will not keep sente that way. Considering 'c' (O3) is a big move for Black, White will want to make sure to get as much out of the next few moves as possible. In addition, the attack at 'a' is just not very profitable for Black yet. There are more open parts of the board to play in (more on this idea in a moment). Playing at 'c' himself, or at 'd' (Q10), or even the wedge at 'e' (K17) are all fairly big, but again do not keep sente. The moves 'f' (C14) and 'g' (R14) make more sense to me for White to play. As Black, I will try to regain sente if I can, but I feel at this stage of the game it is important for me to respond locally to either of these. White then gets the chance to fight to keep sente himself. So, which will he play? There's a common wisdom that says you should "play away from strength" in the opening, which refers to both your own and your opponent's strong groups. In addition, the most open side is the right side. The idea behind playing in a more open area of the board is that they provide the most potential for gaining points. Each move you make in a local area has less potential to make territory than the previous move in that area ... it is naturally limited by the potential of the previous local moves, and also puts its own limitations on the potential of those previous moves as well. To make your stones as efficient as possible, you want to spread your potential across the board as much as possible so as not to fall behind your opponent. This is a difficult idea to use well, since it's not easy to calculate potential, and when your stones are weak they can be attacked and exploited by your opponent. Trust me, I may know the theory but in practice I fall flat on my face when I try to apply it, more often than not. Given this idea, though, I suspect my opponent will play at 'g' (R14) because it is the more open side and may allow him to take a nice bit of potential there. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm13 Possible Continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . 6 4 0 . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 7 X 5 8 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . # 9 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] is and is ... In this thought, Black gives up the corner in a pincer, then sets up a wall from which to approach at 'a'. This would suit me fine, but it's only one possibility. It is up to my opponent to decide how he'd like to play. I've rambled enough. Let me know if there are any questions!

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Author:	Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm14 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . 1 . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Put some pressure on the group! Will read after he answers I'm aiming for this: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm14 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . W . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Loons [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Zwergesel: Could you clarify how L3 is putting pressure on his group ? Where does he need to respond ? Why it's big/sente compared to eg. playing R14 directly? Marcus: Nice comments ... Noon UTC+12 is good for me for our tournament game, btw, weekdays. Tomorrow possible for you ? I need to know a little in advance!

Author:	Zwergesel [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Loons wrote: Zwergesel: Could you clarify how L3 is putting pressure on his group ? Where does he need to respond ? Why it's big/sente compared to eg. playing R14 directly? He does not need to respond in order to live, i.e. I cannot kill him with my next move, but if he ignores it I think I can chase him around starting with K2 and make profit on the right side in the process! If he does respond then I think that L3 makes an approach to my lower right corner less desirable! The more I think about it though, I think you are right that I should have played at R14 immediately! I often tend to leave out important moves for moves that I think are sente, but really are not

Author:	Marcus [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
It's Canada Day, and I'm too tired to think. I'll move tomorrow. Another move that I did not anticipate from my opponent. I'm trying to decide between a few moves, but I want to move with a clear head. A few of the moves I'm contemplating: one space jump to the center (J5), settling contact move (L2), and tenuki (R6 approach to his corner). I still think White should have attacked with R14. This move seems slightly unreasonable, since I'm already settled (I don't think I'll have any problem living at all). Once I get the chance, I'll explain my thoughts more thoroughly. Loons: Obviously, I did not get your note until right now. Can we try for Monday, noon UTC+12?

Author:	Marcus [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:57 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I'm trying to take this Malkovich game more seriously and write out detailed thoughts. I'm trying to incorporate a bunch of new ideas into my gameplay, and writing them out seems like a good way to sort them out and make useful applications to my game. Ok, let's see what's going on here. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm14 Jump? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . 1 . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] For some reason, my first instinct is to make this one space jump at 'a', running into the center. As soon as I think about that, though, I can just see Bill Spight posting "Jowa says don't run" ... I'm not even completely sure what that means, though I have a bit of an idea. I'll come back to this when I discuss my options. So, let's not immediately jump out. Instead, let's examine my options. First, my group is already very solid. Any pressure is putting on my group is minimal, I think. I have several options to settle the group right now into unassailable territory. I mentioned previously that each move made in a local area is of reduced potential for points due to the influence of the stones all around. This area of the board has become very crowded. The top and the right sides are both much more interesting. Tenuki may be a good option here. What I need to do is make a plan. First I need to loosely decide how I expect the game to go, and choose a few moves that I definitely want to get. Let's look at the board: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm14 First Cash Exchange $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| S S . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| S S . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| S S O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| S S S O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| S S S . . C X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| S S S . . C C C . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] We've had our first exchange in White's lower left corner. I call it White's corner, because White played in that local area first. It is natural for White to get more cash out of this corner, since White should never have fewer stones than Black if all plays are made locally. Now, with both groups mostly settled, the question becomes how each group can be used. White's corner looks like it should be able to naturally expand along the left side. Before , Black's group on the bottom was set to be able to expand towards the bottom right. White made a choice to limit that expansion. I'd like to do the same to White's possible expansion on the left, so I would like to play somewhere around there eventually. I think C9 would be nice: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Black limits the left side $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . d . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I chose C9 ( ) with the idea that it would be flexible. If White attacks my 4-4 with C14 ('a'), I can make an ideal extension to C12 ('b'), which is also a pincer. If White approaches C9 directly by playing at C11 ('c'), I can jump under to B6 ('d') to make a (cramped) base to jump out from. The timing isn't right for C9 right now, though. The board is still very open, and White can build some great thickness towards the center or take a lot of profit in the upper left corner. I need to make sure what I gain from playing C9 balances what White gains from attacking C9. In order to time it right, though, I need to have sente at the right time. We'll put C9 aside for now. The two biggest areas of the board are the top and right sides. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Big sides $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR R10 R16} $$ {AR R10 R4} $$ {AR K17 Q17} $$ {AR K17 D17}[/go] K16 or K17 would be huge, but I'm not as concerned about getting this point. It doesn't look like this game will turn into a moyo game, so I want to look at countering whatever strategies my opponent has instead of simply taking big points wherever they are (I'll take it if my opponent gives it to me, though). That leaves the right side. I'd like to approach his Q4 stone, and would likely do so at R6. Of course, with at L3, the pincer is inevitable in that local area: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 White is happy to pincer $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . 4 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I do keep sente, so it's not a bad an exchange for me, but White gets a good wall facing an almost ideal extension. White gets to use his L3 stone well, and my Black group is looking more and more swallowed. Maybe I should step back and look again at Black's bottom group. There's a piece of wisdom that says you should try not to get sealed in. Right now, my group is not sealed in, and has potential towards the center in a couple places: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: W=0, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . @ . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X @ . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR F3 F6} $$ {AR J3 J6}[/go] The stones are just sitting there right now, hanging off Black's group. It wouldn't take much to connect them to the left, though. I have to be careful not to lose access to the center from this group. I may want to play locally just to keep that access. Options? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Local options $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . c . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . b . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I think these three options ('a' to 'c') are reasonable to consider. First, the one space jump: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Break Sector Lines? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {LN D6 L3}[/go] Way up top, I mentioned Bill's "Jowa says don't run" advice. If my bottom group was weak, this one space jump would definitely be considered running. My group isn't weak, though. In this case, I THINK I'm breaking a sector line. I don't really know, because all the information I know about sector lines is what I've gleaned from reading posts on L19 and GD. So, perhaps I have the concept wrong. However, I do think that D6 and L3 form a sector line, and jumping like this breaks that sector line. It also keeps access to the center for my group, which is also important, and threatens to capture those two stones sitting on my wall. Eventually, capturing those stones will be worth quite a bit and White will either have to concede them to me, or will have to spend a move to save them. Either way, I can profit from it. My only issue with this move is that it seems to give White exactly what he wants: I'm responding to his move so he keeps sente and dictates the flow of the game. gives him some nice potential on the bottom right with Q4 in place. I want to make the game difficult on White, so I need to find a way to limit that potential. Next option, settle with L2: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Settle $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O a . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This looks great to me. It's simple, feels natural, makes my group completely safe, and because of the cut at 'a' it should be sente (though I bet my opponent would at least consider tenuki from here). However, Black is still under threat of being sealed in on the bottom later on in the game. Final local thought is to pincer White's stone: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Pincer ... White has numerous responses $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . c . b d . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O . 1 . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] The pincer looks interesting. It reduces what White was trying to gain on the lower right. However, there are so many variations, and I can't be sure I'll come out with the sente that I want to have. Too often I discard the natural feeling move for something complicated, like this pincer. I'm going to play the natural move to settle at L2. Possible continuation of the game: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Possible Continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O 4 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This is what feels natural. Of course, White may block in the other direction after the jump to R3 on this board: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 New way to block $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 . \| $$ \| . . O , . . O . . , . . . . . O 3 4 7 \| $$ \| . . . O X X O . X . O @ . . . . 2 8 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . # # @ . . 0 . . 6 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I can't see this as bad for Black. Cash in the corner, a group of White stones at L3 to attack, and no weak groups for White to easily exploit. White can attack at 'a' and try to make the right side into profit. I'll have to think about a response if this is the board we reach. Now, watch as my opponent plays tenuki immediately and throws all my thoughts out the window.

Author:	dfan [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 60. Marcus (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
This move smells funny to me. It looks like B is asking to be sealed in.