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| Author: | barraktu [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Should I have lost? |
I feel this game wasn't over because white was ahead... Can someone explain why my opponent resigned? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:08 am ] |
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Hi barraktu, you would have to ask your opponent. At these levels, had the game continued, nobody knows who would've won. The upper left corner: study this joseki -- your  connect looks very solid, but it's not joseki --there are other variations, but study this basic one. Every move in this sequence has its meaning. See if you can figure out why the joseki move  is extend, and not your solid connect . |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I have lost? |
My best guess would be that the extension instead of the solid connection is to stay ahead of the opponent and keep them sealed in the corner. In the game I made a solid connection because I was afraid of the cut on 15-D. But looking at it now, the cut doesn't seem as severe as I thought and trying to cut would have let me take away more of the corner territory. Thank you for the reply, I will try to get in contact with my opponent again. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:48 pm ] |
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barraktu wrote: My best guess would be that the extension instead of the solid connection is to stay ahead of the opponent and keep them sealed in the corner. In the game I made a solid connection because I was afraid of the cut on 15-D. But looking at it now, the cut doesn't seem as severe as I thought Good, but we're not done.Let's study the joseki SGF in Post 2, to keep things simple. Two homework problems for you: - If B does not extend on , if B tenukis, then what is W's follow-up sequence ?- After extends, what happens if W cuts D15 ( instead of  ) ?
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| Author: | barraktu [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I have lost? |
I'm pretty sure white's next move would be at C-13 after black tenukis. And I think after white cuts black can either push into white's corner or net the cutting stone. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:36 am ] |
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barraktu wrote: I'm pretty sure white's next move would be at C-13 after black tenukis. OK, and then ? That's a start, but a single move is not enough:what is the sequence ? Please show your sequence, with a diagram or SGF. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:41 am ] |
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barraktu wrote: I think after white cuts black can either push into white's corner or net the cutting stone. OK, what are the exact sequences.Please show with a diagram or SGF. |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I have lost? |
I couldn't create the file correctly. But, In both scenarios I imagine the sequences would go as such: B D-16 - W - C-17 B D-17 - W - C-16 B C-15 - W - B-15 B C-14 - W - B-14 Sequence One B Q-4 - W - B-13 B C-13 - W - B-11 End Sequence One B C-13 - Sequence Two W - D-15 B E-15 - W - D-14 B E-13 - W - D-14 B E-13 - W - E-14 B F-14 - W - D-13 B D-12 - |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:18 pm ] |
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Good time to learn How to make Diagrams . Also, good to figure out what happened to your SGF attempts. 
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:25 pm ] |
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Here's a start: you can use it as a template — just click the button "quote" and edit as you wish: |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:47 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: Here's a start: you can use it as a template —
just click the button "quote" and edit as you wish: |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:48 pm ] |
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barraktu wrote: Right — in your variation above, is self-atari, so W would not play it.So  nets the two  stones:Which means there is no cut at  after  extends,which means the two extends,  and , are a more efficient wayto fix the cut than your solid connect .
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:54 pm ] |
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The other homework problem: what happens after ? |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:19 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: This one is interesting to me. I'm no sure if I get it. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:46 pm ] |
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You are very, very scared of cuts. (Probably because some players cut you into pieces and you died many horrible deaths ? ) The solution is not to connect every single cut as soon as you are worried. Rather, strive to improve your reading and fighting skills. B would hane at  — and then ? |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
EdLee wrote: "Probably because some players cut you into pieces and you died many horrible deaths ?" That made me chuckle by it truthfulness. B would hane at — and then ?Would it be something like this? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:39 am ] |
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W would double-hane at  — and then ? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:44 am ] |
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barraktu wrote: That made me chuckle by it truthfulness. Isn't it interesting how much one can tell about a person from just two moves — connect in post 1; and connect in post 14.
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I have lost? |
It's so bad to allow white the hane at 2 I'm not sure what's best, but this falling back might be better shape. |
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| Author: | barraktu [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should I have lost? |
It would seem that the best move is to simply follow the joseki rather than deal with the consequences of trying to be fancy. |
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