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Author:  rouyakun [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  me vs some dan
I played this dan and I felt like I still need to know a lot of stuffs... well somehow it became a close game though he like got the WHOLE endgame for himself. That's why I posted this here hoping some dans can give some insights. Maybe my direction of play is bad at some parts? and how to handle the crosscut at the top left? That really surprised me. BTW my theory in this game is almost nil so yeah, you know what to expect lol Also, I would like some insights regarding the endgame because it seems that's where I lost a lot of pts...

I've put some of my own insights and also some questions in the sgf.


Go is like on off for me. When I get busy with work I end up forgetting about what I know in go, like I'm a noob again. :scratch: I think it also happens to some people. But yeah, I suddenly feel like I don't know what I'm doing or where to play anymore. Well, somehow my reading is still ok-ish since I can still do some tsumego stuff on phone. But my theory has gone to oblivion (or something like that) lol... :lol:

Well I'm not used to playing anymore, since I don't really feel like playing go when I'm busy with work. (my work is freelance) But right now I'm free somehow so I kinda wanna touch go a bit, or at least not deteriorate too much. But I don't know if I can keep this up since I also wanna touch on my drawing (it's also deteriorating). I think one of my biggest problems is I can't focus on one thing. I always end up wanting to do at least 2 things at the same time and usually ending up not doing good on both...

Btw, I want to be a stable dan player because we didn't have any dans who could teach us and I don't like that. I wanna teach people for free but I am not yet confident on my knowledge.


Btw, I'm around 1d-3k at worst. I have a 2d tygem (just made it 2d from 1d) and a wbaduk 2d and 9k (from 21k made to 9k so far and too many games needed lol)

I hope some dans can enlighten me. It's really so hard when you have to study all by yourself, you wouldn't know if what you're doing is right or where to improve... but I hardly know any dans personally that's why I tried posting here... I hope it's not a waste of your time to help and I thank you all in advance :bow:

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Author:  EdLee [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:27 am ]
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Hi rouyakun,
rouyakun wrote:
I wanna teach people for free but I am not yet confident on my knowledge.
Good.

To know you are not sure about something is
much better than to be absolutely certain about something,
but which turns out to be wrong. — paraphrasing Feynman.
Author:  rouyakun [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
Thanks EdLee
And thanks for that beautiful quote. That's probably my end goal (and maybe way of giving back to the community) and it's the stronger reason why I wanted to reach dan. Although because of my lifestyle, I'm not able to devote 100% in go at the least I wanted to learn new stuffs whenever I get the chance to.
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:23 am ]
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rouyakun, Good luck ! :)
Author:  rouyakun [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
thanks for encouragement :D

Anyone care to comment on the game? I really wanna know my mistakes. :-?
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:18 pm ]
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Hi rouyakun,

:b13: how about C3 directly ? Why do you feel the need to push here ?

:w14: since W backs up, I wonder if you should push one more.
Author:  rouyakun [ Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
I just saw it in a pro game that you could push there. But I'm not sure when to do it. I just thought I might get some forcing moves later on the outside so he will think twice about splitting when I pincer... which never happened because he got to secure it lol :lol:
Author:  ez4u [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:58 am ]
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I was surprised to check my database. There are 28 games with the jump down to G2 in this joseki. Most often (14 cases) Black just plays C3 but there are nearly as many games (12 cases) where Black tests White with the push at G3 first. Pushing forces White to decide whether to pull back or block at H3. If H3, naturally Black plays F2. If White pulls back as in the game, Black turns back to C3 without pushing again.

D5 is a good answer to E3 (which looks like a mistake) but how about E4? This keeps the Black stones connected but it allows White to capture D5. What happens if Black plays C5 ( :b2: in the diagram below) and connects D5 instead? If White goes ahead and connects at :w3: to cut, Black will cut in turn at :b4:. Although White can atari at :w5: and capture 4 stones with :w7: , Black ends up with a very big corner and White's shape is over-concentrated. If White approaches the bottom right corner now, Black will not pincer but rather attach underneath and happily take a second corner.

If White simply connects at 4 instead of 3, Black takes 3 in turn and has a much bigger corner than in the game plus the left side is still open. What do you think?
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Author:  Uberdude [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
I often play the G2 jump in this shape, having seen what good results Andrew Kay got with it as hardly anyone seems to do the correct c4 push and do the inferior e3 or e2 instead. And as ez4u says, don't give white a ponnuki.
Author:  rouyakun [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:02 am ]
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ez4u: That is indeed a nice looking variation. I thought white could capture the black stones which I thought was bad, but I didn't read that far ahead. Thank you for that nice variation.

Uberdude: And yeah, looks like I could have prevented the ponnuki but I was not too familiar with this kind of opening so I thought I was doing good because I connected both groups without getting too bulky.

Thank you for the responses and sorry for my late reply. :salute:
Author:  xoxo88 [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
do you considered this one after crosscut? seems to work.

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white doesnt win the capturing race (5 to 4) so if he wants to keep this stones he has to make a ugly deal...

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O X X 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


he can make it but B gets a superior wall.
Author:  Charles Matthews [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: me vs some dan
rouyakun wrote:
Maybe my direction of play is bad at some parts?


:b41: This misses a big chance, I think. Play at K2 and the white group to the left is going to have to run out. Since White already has a weak group on the left side, you should be in good shape for a strategy. If you play the pincer, you have to think in these terms.

In general, tactics don't solve everything. You need to occupy key points ahead of your opponent.
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