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Author: | WriterJon [ Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:26 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K | ||
I played black and am the 9 kyu. Any thoughts are very welcome. I couldn't find my WBaduk game records outside of my phone app, so I had to create the .sgf by hand, the "variations" are actually the main game. They got sidelined where I mis-clicked and went back a move to correct myself ![]() Some of my opponent's moves looked kind of odd, especially in the yose. So I wonder if maybe I was playing a bot? Or are these Dan-level plays that I will only understand when I am on the reach the same heights? This is also me testing out the software I have available on my devices and these forums. Hopefully this post isn't a total trainwreck.
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Author: | jlt [ Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
White is clearly a bot. Here are some thoughts: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | gennan [ Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
jlt wrote: White is clearly a bot. Oh! I was going to say that white is clearly a human (a calm low dan player). White does play an AI-like opening, but IME that is common nowadays. White did not have to work hard to win. You play a decent game, but you tend to play too defensively and passively to win against low dan level players, so white got a lead from about move 23. By move 46, white was winning. Not much happened aftwerwards, so white won. |
Author: | jlt [ Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
Yes the beginning is normal but did you look at the end (move 176 for instance)? |
Author: | gennan [ Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
Yes, white played many strange and unneccessary moves in the late endgame, but does that mean he was botting? It's possible that white was just bored and/or trolling. |
Author: | WriterJon [ Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
Thanks so much for your comments guys especially jlt's point-by-point. On the bot question, I put the Japanese chat from the original kifu through google translate and the opponent says something like "Hi. I am a bot that plays at 4D level. Have fun!" As far as I'm concerned white passes the anti-Turing test. |
Author: | rhwocns [ Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
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Author: | jlt [ Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: WBaduk 4D v. KGS 9K |
I think rhwocns wanted to say this: |
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