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| Author: | Shannarino [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:36 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Game againist gnugo | ||
Hi, i am a beginner player and this is probably the first game i win without any suggestion. What do you think about it? What errors i have done? What is my level? I can start to play in a 19*19 board? Thank you. (I apologize for my bad english.)
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Which color are you? white? And I embedded your sgf so it can be viewed without download: |
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| Author: | Shannarino [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
My color is Black. May i have to correct the third question, it (probably) must be: "Wich is my level". Sorry but i speak very bad english. Thank you for embedding the sgf file. |
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
I'd estimate that you're between 20-25k. But just come on KGS an play a few games to learn what rank you are. Playing humans is more fun than playing an AI. |
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| Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Move 47 in that game is not good, there's no need to do that right then. Understanding why this is so will raise your level. 
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Same with move 63
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Italian KGS page: http://www.gokgs.com/index.jsp?locale=it_IT |
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| Author: | alejo [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Here's my advice: While playing against gnugo is comfortable (always available, different difficulty levels, custom time limits), playing with it too much isn't good at all. This is mainly due to its playing style: AI sometimes allow you to play moves a human player would never. AI fail to judge the life-or-death status of certain groups, so you can kill a group which should have lived. Though most of us started training with gnugo (or MFOG), you should try to get onto human vs human games. |
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| Author: | Mike Novack [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Another opinion. I could be way wrong about this but I believe the AI opponents CAN be useful if used properly. Most of the criticism I see is most valid for the situation when they are being MISused. a) To play even games, play against humans, not against the computer. As many people have explained it will not be making the same sort of mistakes as a human opponent would. In other words, while over all playing at some level it's not making the right/typical mistakes of a human player at that level. b) To learn with the computer as the opponent it should have its strength setting set for several stones stronger than you are (and then you take the appropriate handicap). Now it should not be making mistakes expected of an opponent of your own level and should be able to punish you when you make a mistake (so you learn). c) I am NOT meaning to say that it wouldn't be even better to be playing against a human opponent 4-5 stones stronger than you are. But is it likely to have a variety of human opponents willing to play a large number of games against you under those conditions? My opinion is just that playing a lot of games against a computer program set to be about that much stronger than you are might be a good way of learning compared to playing that same number of games against a human of your own strength (you make mistakes but your opponent isn't able to punish them). d) This advice is also dependent somewhat on your level. More useful once your strength has gotten to the point where your computer opponent would be one of the strongest currently available. These are aggressive, good at fighting, and will not always make the same move in the same situation. You can't assme that the same program set to one of its weak settings will be a weaker version of the same (may be using a different algorithm and may be passive). |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Game againist gnugo |
Shannarino wrote: Hi, i am a beginner player and this is probably the first game i win without any suggestion. What do you think about it? Any first win is a good game. Shannarino wrote: What errors i have done? Move 47 is not necessary. It fills your own territory. Look at the board at the end of the game. Remove the stone that you played at move 47. Now you have one more point. Move 63 also is not necessary. It also fills your own territory, and loses one point. Shannarino wrote: What is my level? Approximately 25 kyu. Shannarino wrote: I can start to play in a 19*19 board? You are not ready yet. On a small board, there is a shorter time between cause and effect. If you make a bad move on a small board, you will see the bad result sooner. Shannarino wrote: (I apologize for my bad english.) Please do not apologize. You speak English better than we speak Italian. |
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