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Author: | robinz [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Resigning a won game... |
Hi all, I've been meaning for some time to post one of my KGS games on here for critiquing by you guys - but most of my games (whether I win or lose) I'm too ashamed to do so as I already pretty much know where I blundered. But here's one I just played where I don't think I did anything too awful, at least until late on. I was pretty pleased with how the middle-game seemed to go - very happy to have managed to live inside his moyo on the left (no idea whether or not I should have - but it felt a good time to try), and even happier when I managed to kill off his own invasion in the lower-right (I'm pretty sure he could have lived by playing R2 before I got to). But after that my position seemed to fall apart with him making further and further incursions into my territory (being in byoyomi didn't help - I guess I have to learn to play quicker), and eventually I resigned when I could see very little left for me compared to his still large chunk of the left-hand side. Then I was shocked to find that the score estimator still had me leading by double figures in the final position! So, as well as welcoming all criticism (hopefully constructive) of my play, I'd also appreciate some comments on whether or not the score estimate in the final position is accurate or not (I'm aware that the KGS SE facility is notorious for its inaccuracies), and how I can quickly count to tell who's leading. (Unless I'm playing a slow game and can afford to count every point painstakingly, I tend to rely on feel, and it really felt that I was a long way behind in the final position ![]() Thanks in advance, Robin. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
15: E3 is dual sente. 23: This develops two groups placed so that white can split them. D18 is way better. 49: Defending this group - even if you live - is going to cost you more than the group is worth. It would be better to make a reducing move around K12 or K13 threatening to rescure the group, and make hinm expend moves to seal it in. 69: Right idea, but way too small. Try something like L10 or K10. 145:How many points was that worth? There are plays like N8, A10, A3, etc It looks like you got carried away, fighting when you did not need to. You have a nice capture down in the lower right, enough to win the game ![]() Stop to count every once in a while. Adjust your strategy accordingly. ( Especially if your strategy is resigning. ![]() |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
White has just played the marked stone, and black tenukied. White to kill. Hint: |
Author: | robinz [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
Thanks for the comments, Joaz. You're quite right that I should stop to count more often, of course - I'm just incredibly slow at it, and was hoping to get some advice on how to do it quick enough that I can manage it when in byoyomi in an online game. (But, looking at the game again this morning, I think I resigned just because I let myself get too depressed at the bad things I'd let happen in the last dozen or so moves - 20 moves before the end I was definitely leading massively (and I knew it), so my position at the end could hardly have been lost, but for some reason I'd managed to forget this ![]() All of your comments I find absolutely fair ![]() Dusk Eagle - I'm ashamed to say I can't see how to kill, even given the hint. And bear in mind that I spent a while looking at that during the game deciding whether it was safe to tenuki, before deciding that it was. I'll give it a bit more thought though ![]() [about a minute later] Oh, I see it now. In fact I think there are two ways: |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
robinz wrote: ... Oh, I see it now. In fact I think there are two ways: |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
Dusk Eagle wrote: .. Joaz: When white plays like that, black lives ![]() That's why I said that I only saw one. |
Author: | bleep69 [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
robinz wrote: ... All of your comments I find absolutely fair ![]() Going through it, that's exactly what I thought. I even nodded my head approvingly when I saw your move, then read Joaz' comment. It seems every time I try a move like K10 in this situation the guy just waltzes in... |
Author: | xed_over [ Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Resigning a won game... |
robinz wrote: You're quite right that I should stop to count more often, of course - I'm just incredibly slow at it, and was hoping to get some advice on how to do it quick enough that I can manage it when in byoyomi in an online game. the best lessons on the net for learning to count are DrStraw's lessons here: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SteveFawthrop%2FCounting |
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