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Author:  Phelan [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Got lucky, but still lost.


By five and a half. I added some comments. I think my main problem was not closing up my moyo at move 70, but I'd like to be sure.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got lucky, but still lost.
OK, so maybe I have ulterior motives. It's still a review!



OK, main points:

* The lower right in the very beginning urgently needed an extension. If you remember nothing else, remember that. You were playing joseki until you tenukied!
* Your lower right group had a very very thin connection for a very long time. You played in a way that pushed his weak group towards your frail connection (i.e.: don't do that). He failed to punish you even with numerous opportunities. I think most of your group ought to have died. I think probably neither of you realized the danger it was in.
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got lucky, but still lost.
I don't feel like doing a complete review right now, but if you wanted sente in the bottom-right to take the final corner, why not take it directly at move :w4: or :w6:? If you take it at move :w4:, then he has the possibility of enclosing that corner immediately, which isn't bad for you but judging from your play seems like something you didn't want. But even after :b5:, if you then take the corner, you have prevented black from making a shimari in that corner. If he pincers your stone next, that's fine for you. It is light and flexible, and there is plenty of aji remaining in the corner. However, after you've played out the :w6: - :b7: - :w8: - :b9: exchange, you have removed some of the aji in the corner and added stones you might prefer to have not played following a black pincer.
Author:  Phelan [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got lucky, but still lost.
@Daniel
Yeah, leaving that group unprotected was definitely not a good idea.

Quote:
**Why not E3?

I was worried about the cut. :S

Quote:
**Isn't there a problem around P5/O5?

In that case I was planning on letting him cut, and when he kept pushing I would attack his south group, but now that I look at it, it doesn't seem as easy as I thought.

Thanks for the review!

@Dusk Eagle

I wasn't keen on letting him get the shimari because of the forced sequence:
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[go]$$B Forced?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It just doesn't feel right for me. I prefer preventing the shimari, but usually don't know how to deal with it. Your advice to take sente with :w5: feels good, I'll try that. Thanks! :)
Author:  Marcus [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got lucky, but still lost.
Phelan,

Maybe you should take a look at the following option instead, if you don't like your "forced" continuation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Another option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obviously, you're inviting Black to jump in at a ... but it can turn out alright! I suggest you look for game examples with these 8 opening moves.

As to the game ... I think Daniel hit all the important points. :w10: makes me shudder a bit, though ... making an approach like :w4: before all corners are taken makes for a complex game. Perhaps you should have tenuki'd with :w6: following the theory that "one stone is aji".
Author:  Phelan [ Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Got lucky, but still lost.
Thanks, I'll try it if I can.
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