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| Author: | 1986 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | 9 stone handi vs pro |
please critise every move. after seeing this game what do u think i should work on? what would u have done different? i think i played to many soft moves, and i could have took better care of my corners, instead of changing plans mid game and trying to take the ouside; besides that what do u think? |
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| Author: | Li Kao [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
I don't have much time, so I'll hit the most important thing - for the shape at move 12, you simply have to cut at R5. Any other move will get you a bad result. Cutting at R5 is the logical followup when white cuts off your  stone, so if you don't like the look of  at R5, then the problem is probably with or earlier.
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
At  , picture Ed Lee screaming* in the back of your head about broken shapes. * Ed Lee doesn't actually seem like the type to scream. Oh well. |
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| Author: | 1986 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
 I could picture that, thats why i love Ed Lee he is a No Nonsense Go Player but in the game if i had Ed Lee over my shoulder i would have won  i never played a pro before so i all i heard was my bones shaking from me being nervous thank you everybody who responded with comments im going to add them to my sgf file and study them right now, im not loosing to nobody with 9 stones no more  if i have any questions i will post them back here |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
It might take a while to not lose to anybody with 9 stones anymore - in Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go, Kageyama described a time he beat a Japanese one dan while giving nine stones because the one dan didn't adhere to the fundamentals of Go and just played to make all of his groups live.
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| Author: | 1986 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
your right i must study harder, i cant loose with nine stones; im going to dig in some issues of the go world and study some handicap strategy again, i take pride in my handicap games. Handicap is my thing, i love it! i feel like if you give me some free stones u better watch out this is motivation 
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:42 pm ] |
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1986, yes, you must cut with -- and if you could not cut with , then you shouldn't have played .To make this kind of broken shape you must have a very good reason (not so in this case). 1986 wrote: i never played a pro before so i all i heard was my bones shaking from me being nervous Good experience for you. Once you have more experience with pros,you'll find they're just people (with extraordinary skills) -- so, play the board. How come the pro did not review this game with you? Is the review a separate event in the future? It may take a while before you can get to 50/50 chance at 9 stones against a pro -- good target and good luck! 
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| Author: | 1986 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
she intened to but didn't have the time she was playing 3 games at the same time, and when it came time for reviews she started but we couldn't see the stones. come to find out you can't review in regular playing mode so after a few tries she had to open a new board in teaching mode and she didn't have much time so i just sat in while she reviewed a even game she played with a 2 dan from canada, and she had to leave. it was fun, and one day I will get some 1 on 1 games & reviews with a pro, this was like a taste tester and now i need MORE |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
I've only gone through the first few moves but already my eyes are bleeding  In the first few moves you forgot about one of the most important ideas in Go: it is good to connect your stones and to cut your opponents, and bad to separate your stones and connect your opponents. So m3 is bad because it just forces white to play n3 which separates k4 from q4 (well, they were already separated, but now they are more so: when white plays n3 it is damaging to black on both sides but as you can only play one stone at once you can only fix one side). p6 was good to separate white's groups (though it will be complicated as you can get cut too, p5 is easier but a little soft perhaps), but as others said o6 was an awful move. This move should make your eyes bleed too. You just force white to connect her stones together and separate yours. Cutting is the only move in shapes like this, and then there will be a fight. I'm guessing you were scared of an atari on p6, but you can just extend from atari and white can't capture you so whichever side white defends you attack the other side. Once white plays q5 white connects 2 weak groups and your q4 stone is blighted and almost dead (giving white a huge corner). P.S. Sorry if this seems harsh, but eliminating moves like p6 will make you so much stronger. It's hard to quantify a mistake like that, but I don't think it would be exaggerating to say with that one move you lost the advantage of 2 handicap stones. |
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| Author: | 1986 [ Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 9 stone handi vs pro |
harsh, not at all sir, im not sensetive lol but what u are saying and others already said makes sense i made a big fundmental no no, i just opened up my first go book ("go more than a game" pete shotwell) and it talks about cutting & connecting, talk about a slap in he face lol. but hey u live and u learn (or stay the same rank forever) this just makes that lesson stick harder. cut- connect- no broken shapes cut- connect- no broken shapes
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:29 pm ] |
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1986 wrote: no broken shapes 1986, |
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