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Too soon. Black is low on top, so there's no danger of a moyo. The top side is also cramped with black stones. Basically top is a barren wasteland right now.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This would be better (or some other approach, doesn't have to be one space high). Approaching a 3-4 corner is pretty big, and you should have a much easier time of any fighting on this side, away from all those messy black stones.

Author:	Leyleth [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:40 pm ]
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Hello, this is a game I played against Phelan. The beginning was hard, for white. Where did he messed up? How could he do better?

Author:	Numsgil [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:50 pm ]
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Quick thought: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . 0 , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] Too soon. Black is low on top, so there's no danger of a moyo. The top side is also cramped with black stones. Basically top is a barren wasteland right now. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] This would be better (or some other approach, doesn't have to be one space high). Approaching a 3-4 corner is pretty big, and you should have a much easier time of any fighting on this side, away from all those messy black stones.

Author:	Shaddy [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:14 pm ]
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edit: I did not remember correctly. White gets sente in the trick variation, so disregard that variation in the top right (but you should remember the trick, it's useful, and I doubt anyone under 1d will refute it. I don't think even 3-4ds will consistently refute it)

Author:	OtakuViking [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:15 am ]
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Shaddyboy, check this out. http://www.josekipedia.com/#path:qdodqfqcpcpdqbrcpe

Author:	Shaddy [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:30 am ]
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Thanks, I'd forgotten you need the ladder for that trick.

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Author:	OtakuViking [ Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:57 am ]
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You're welcome:) I quite liked that branch of variations myself when I looked over it.

Author:	cyclops [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:25 am ]
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Shaddy wrote: .... Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc $$ +------------------------- $$ \| . . . . O X O X . . . . $$ \| . O X X O X O . O X . . $$ \| . . O X . X . O B X O . $$ \| . . O O X X O O . X O . $$ \| . . . . O X O X X X . . $$ \| . . O . O O X O . . . . $$ \| . . . . X . X . . . . . $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]` Looks like white dies. ....... This is what my probably inferior reading says Click Here To Show Diagram Code `[go]$$Wc gote seki for white $$ +------------------------- $$ \| . 3 1 4 9 X O . 5 6 . . $$ \| . O X X . X O 7 O X . . $$ \| . . O X 2 X . O X X O . $$ \| . . O O X X O O 8 X O . $$ \| . . . . O X O X X X . . $$ \| . . O . O O X O . . . . $$ \| . . . . X . X . . . . . $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]` But even then white is unhappy.

Author:	Shaddy [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:31 pm ]
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Oops, H19 should be G19.

Author:	Phelan [ Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:28 pm ]
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Thanks for the review, guys!

Author:	cyclops [ Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:16 am ]
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Shaddy wrote: Oops, H19 should be G19. Or, backtracking as little as possible in your original variant, J17 at B19?

Author:	Shaddy [ Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:26 pm ]
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Yeah, that works too.

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