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Author: | jts [ Thu May 24, 2012 7:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
I have a question. I think we're all familiar with joseki, and know that "a" is a possible follow up for B later on. This is the continuation that I'm most familiar with - it's easy for me to remember because that wedge looks so odd, but is remarkably tricky for W to deal with. However, in a game today I saw another continuation that looked thin for W... I thought W could only play this way when he was quite strong on both sides. But it actually proved impossible for B (well, for me! ![]() I ended up not being able to attack W on either side, and had to do an embarrassing amount of damage to my corner while I scrambled to live on the second line. Maybe this was just a result of a few bad reads or instincts on my part. Or, on the other hand, maybe I don't understand ![]() ![]() ![]() The game in question is under the hidden if you want to see how I got myself in such a mess. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu May 24, 2012 8:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
The kick at C15 seems inconsistent with trying to make C12 live. |
Author: | jts [ Thu May 24, 2012 8:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
Thanks, Joaz. You mean because of C8? I actually wasn't entirely sure whether C12 could live, with or without the forcing move first. I think C12 was just a mistake, given that C8 was already there. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
Author: | mitsun [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
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Author: | SoDesuNe [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
This is a standard sequence given by "Attack and Defense". I think this result would not have been bad for you in the game. Taking away every territory White had on the right side in exchange for some corner territory. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu May 24, 2012 11:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
A thought. ![]() |
Author: | jts [ Thu May 24, 2012 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Invading the three-space jump from the 3rd to 4th line |
Thanks to everyone! These are all great ideas. I think SoDesuNe's sequence was most nearly what I was looking for - a simple way to live without flopping all over the board with half-dead groups. Bill's K17 idea was something I was thinking about in the game, but was too chicken to go through with. Next time, more kiai! But the alternatives to the invasion are also interesting. I tend to rotely go through the "big points" on the board, and I really need to do more whole-board reading and evaluating. The basic point that I wasn't acknowledging is that there's no way for B to stabilize his stones efficently and cut white - he has to choose one or the other. (Well, I guess in SoDesuNe's variation there's a g15 cut left for later, but that seems speculative.) |
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