Generally, by the time you reach your level the question is not how to create stable groups, but whether.
Without looking at the game, maybe the problem is not sacrificing stones.
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| Author: | otenki [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | not so good in creating stable groups. |
I was lucky to win this game. (My oponent left aji for me to make my group alive) Howhever I really want to learn better how to make good stable groups. Around move 88 I sacrifice any potential on the bottom to be able to get a group into the center. I think this is reasonable because the black stones on top are not alive yet. Howhever I handled this group not too well I think. So my main question is how to make this group stable and ressiliant. Also if you have any tips on what kind of tsumego I should do to be able create better shapes for my groups please let me know. I'm white. Thanks ! Otenki |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Move 24 is really interesting. At first glance, move 22 looks bad, but then 24 feels really sophisticated because it makes 22 work. Did you find 22/24 in a pro game? Or did you just play this on your own? |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Generally, by the time you reach your level the question is not how to create stable groups, but whether. Without looking at the game, maybe the problem is not sacrificing stones.
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| Author: | otenki [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
@Joaz Banbeck: I've learned these two moves from a korean go teacher, I believe it was Inseong. Howhever NOT in this context, also it didn't turn out the way I thought they would. I did not forsee 25, which prevented me from creating kindoff influence. Instead I got thickness which is also fine I guess. Normaly the sequence is something like: @Bill Spight: In my opinion in this case I have enough aji and it is necisary to create this group. The only question is what are the best moves to create this group while attacking or threatening or ... |
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| Author: | Boidhre [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:22 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. | ||
Hey Otenki, The only pro sequence I can find with the same position as yours after  is the following: Both your approach and black tenuki'ing it seem to be very rare for what it's worth. The game it's from: As you can see it wasn't originally a Black corner.
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| Author: | otenki [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Boidhre: I just applied an out of context idea to the situation. Look at my example of how it *should* be used. (afaik) My approach was wierd because it was free (a ladder breaker for the other bottem joseki). Cheers, Otenki |
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| Author: | Boidhre [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
I'm not criticising. Just trying to provide you with information. E16 also breaks the ladder and puts some more pressure on Black. I've no idea if it's better here though assuming a Black tenuki. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Some comments. Main focus: Avoid playing where your opponent is strong. If you play where your opponent is strong, you can expect to find it difficult to create stable groups. 
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| Author: | Unusedname [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:34 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. | ||
Just a few comments. I think the way you attacked the middle group was weird. but I like that squeeze tesuji. I'm going to look for that in my games now :]
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Yep, like Bill says, you play too close to the opponent's strength. And if you must do so, play lightly. otenki wrote: ... I did not forsee 25... Still, you did not do badly after 25, IMHO. BTW, good fighting at the end.  
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| Author: | otenki [ Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: not so good in creating stable groups. |
Thank you so much guys, Seems like I have a lot to learn. I'll try to replay and check all of the suggested variations. Cheers, Otenki |
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