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| Author: | dumbrope [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | An odd opening move mishandled |
This is the first game I've played in a while (months?). Mostly I'm interested in how to handle white's odd descent to the second line in the early opening and some of the early fighting. I added some of my thinking in key stages so that reviewers here can tell me if I'm thinking wrong, but I think misreads cost me a lot, too. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
His weird move does you very little harm. I'd treat the approach stone as a kikashi which happened to induce an inferior response. Then I would tenuki. However, if you do want to play in the corner, then the best way to do so is probably to observe that he is too low and to get outside influence for yourself. Your attachment seems to do this. Once you have chosen that, it is thematic to continue like this: |
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| Author: | dumbrope [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: His weird move does you very little harm. I'd treat the approach stone as a kikashi which happened to induce an inferior response. Then I would tenuki. However, if you do want to play in the corner, then the best way to do so is probably to observe that he is too low and to get outside influence for yourself. Your attachment seems to do this. Once you have chosen that, it is thematic to continue like this: I did think about that but when I saw it in my mind, probably something shut it down because it looked like pushing from behind. I guess I imagined that white would be able to hane up to the 4th line and I'd wind up with a bunch of black stones just facing each other. Looking at the above diagram, I'm now thinking if white 'a', black 'b' and if white 'c', black 'd'. If that works, I would have played this way. |
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| Author: | Unusedname [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
I would suggest this move to seal him in and take the whole outside for yourself. I don't like tenuki because then he can follow up with a pincer. Maybe just an extension? and treat it as a better result than |
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| Author: | dumbrope [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
Unusedname wrote: I would suggest this move to seal him in and take the whole outside for yourself. I don't like tenuki because then he can follow up with a pincer. Maybe just an extension? and treat it as a better result than I did consider both of those moves very briefly. The reason I rejected the extension is that I can't expect any territory on the top. But this is perhaps a wrong expectation anyway considering that I made the high approach to the 3-4 point to begin with. So yes, white gets a base, black gets a base, what's to complain about? For the knight's move, there was a feeling that it is floating and though surrounding, I would not describe it as a seal. Maybe gote, too. But I cannot say offhand it is bad, as it is a form of getting ahead. I'm not sure I should be deeply concerned about a pincer to the 4th line approach, since I normally consider that a light move if required. Tenuki is always an option and the bottom side is pretty big, so Joaz's thinking has some appeal to me. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
Unusedname wrote: I like one, but not the other. Let's try some tenuki analysis. If you were faced with this board: ...and you wanted to make a play against the upper left, you wouldn't play this: ...because his response of 2 makes it look misplaced. Furthermore, would you then follow up like this? The black stones seen out of place here. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is another way of looking at it. Would you prefer to play this? Or this? ------------------------------------------------------------ If I wanted to make a play against two stones in the corner, I'd use the shoulder hit: -------------------------------------------------------- All of this leads me to dislike the two space extension, and to like this: It is essentially a two-stone shoulder hit. |
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| Author: | tj86430 [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An odd opening move mishandled |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: All of this leads me to dislike the two space extension, and to like this: It is essentially a two-stone shoulder hit. FWIW (not much) this was my first instinct when I saw OP. |
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