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this shape can be cut.

P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.)
:w46:

Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape.

Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. See elephant's eye .

bad. See toothpaste .
:w76:

If B extends at E10, see toothpaste .

Your local shapes are completely wrong.
You can play like this if you have read out you can kill B.
Otherwise, you are just making terrible shapes for yourself.

this shape can be cut.
is G3 better?

P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.)

Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape.

would you mind to show me the right sequence/move here

Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points.

i realize that was a mistake,

im sorry that i kept making you repeating to tell me about this
it seems like, i play ordinary move but suddenly that toothpaste come out from no where.
what can i do

No need to say sorry.

This is your current level.

You WILL continue to make these bad shapes for some time.
For how long, we don't know yet; that depends on you.

As long as you make these bad shapes, hopefully, some people will point them out to you in your reviews.
It means you still have mis-understanding about them.

by my reading, it was pretty better.

Both G3 and H4 can be cut. How is it better ?

Both G3 and H4 can be CUT.

The first question is: can you find a move that CANNOT be CUT.

G4 would be a sufficient answer then

Author:	Ades [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:19 am ]
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Recording Starts 12.06.15 RANK 12.06.15 -- 10k 14.06.15 -- 11k GAME -- B vs W Result 12.06.15 jaylee (11k) vs Ades (10k) W+Res WIN 13.06.15 Ades (10k) vs Aurak (6k) H4 W+Res LOST roget (12k) vs Ades (10k) H2 W+Res WIN marakula (10k) vs Ades (10k) B+Res LOST Ades (10k) vs xohoho456 (9k) W+23.5 LOST axel7897 (11k) vs Ades (10k) B+8.5 LOST 14.06.15 Ades (11k) vs karshin (3k) H8 W+Res LOST Ades (11k) vs Xanarz (10k) W+2.5 LOST Ades (11k) vs Hallonen (10k) W+Res LOST BOOK Learn To Play Go Vol 4 TSUMEGO >Cho Elementary Tsumego 12.06.15 -- Problem 38

Author:	Ades [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:19 am ]
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Author:	Ades [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:20 am ]
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Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:41 am ]
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Hi Ades, E4. not good. not good. Just connect directly. this shape can be cut. Terible. B must cut. K4 extend. Basic shape. Good. "Hane head of 2 stones". Good shape for B; bad shape for W. Very big. K5 extend or K6 jump-attach. P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.) Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape. wrong direction. B wants up, not down. Ridiculous. Cut, only move. Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. See elephant's eye . bad. See toothpaste . If B extends at E10, see toothpaste . Your local shapes are completely wrong. You can play like this if you have read out you can kill B. Otherwise, you are just making terrible shapes for yourself. See toothpaste . See small gaps . (Example: W H15 )

Author:	Ades [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:45 pm ]
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Hi EdLee, im very grateful that you keep helping me Quote: this shape can be cut. is G3 better? Quote: P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.) Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape. would you mind to show me the right sequence/move here Quote: Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. See elephant's eye . i realize that was a mistake, but im bit confused about the link, it didn't tell me why it was a mistake moreover it tells me that the move can be good sometime Quote: bad. See toothpaste . If B extends at E10, see toothpaste . im sorry that i kept making you repeating to tell me about this it seems like, i play ordinary move but suddenly that toothpaste come out from no where. what can i do, or perhaps what i think i can do, is protecting bigger side since its impossible to protect both Quote: Your local shapes are completely wrong. You can play like this if you have read out you can kill B. Otherwise, you are just making terrible shapes for yourself. did you mean, kill B? especially around this move, did you mind to show me a favorable sequence for W? ah! can i ask you one more thing? it is the right rank for me to study pro games?

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Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:57 pm ]
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Ades wrote: this shape can be cut. is G3 better? What do you think ?

Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:59 pm ]
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Quote: P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.) Instead of in the game, B can jump directly out, for example, to P9.

Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:03 pm ]
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Quote: Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape. Quote: would you mind to show me the right sequence/move here There are 2 separate issues here. First is recognition that just helps B make eyes and good shape. The second is to find a better move -- this is a separate issue. I'm not sure what is the best local move.

Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:06 pm ]
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Quote: Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. Quote: i realize that was a mistake, Once again, there are 2 separate issues here: - Recognition of the bad shapes. - Finding a better move. Your first job is recognition. Finding a better move, or the "best" move, is an entirely different issue.

Author:	EdLee [ Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:08 pm ]
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Ades wrote: im sorry that i kept making you repeating to tell me about this it seems like, i play ordinary move but suddenly that toothpaste come out from no where. what can i do No need to say sorry. This is your current level. You WILL continue to make these bad shapes for some time. For how long, we don't know yet; that depends on you. As long as you make these bad shapes, hopefully, some people will point them out to you in your reviews. It means you still have mis-understanding about them.

Author:	Ades [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:23 am ]
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EdLee wrote: What do you think ? by my reading, it was pretty better. EdLee wrote: No need to say sorry. This is your current level. You WILL continue to make these bad shapes for some time. For how long, we don't know yet; that depends on you. As long as you make these bad shapes, hopefully, some people will point them out to you in your reviews. It means you still have mis-understanding about them. i'll try to put more weight on lesson regarding shapes but for now i'll try to improve just from games regarding to my disturbing college schedule

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:51 am ]
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Ades wrote: by my reading, it was pretty better. Both G3 and H4 can be cut. How is it better ?

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:45 am ]
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Both G3 and H4 can be CUT. The first question is: can you find a move that CANNOT be CUT.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:09 pm ]
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Hi Ades, marakula game: Maybe better to get out -- extend to o15. This tiger's mouth -- P17 -- you are boxed in the corner. Mis-understand basic shapes. W must atari at o15. B connects at P16. Then, W tiger's mouth N14, and B is completely boxed in the corner. Wrong shape. Just extend to o15. Atari o15. just connect N15. L16. M18. Vital point to kill. Not urgent. Look at your weak group at Q10. Terrible. Broken shape for W. See small gaps . You're hurting your other group at o8. Maybe better to jump out directly, e.g. N8. Basic shape problem. This shape is strange. N8.

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:39 pm ]
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Hi Ades, xohoho456 game. Don't follow your opponent around like a puppy. The lower left corner is empty -- why not take it. The basic shape here is o16 -- o16 is the local shared vital point. Mis-understand basic shapes. o16 is the shared vital point after . W missed o16 -- you should take it. Don't follow your opponent around like a puppy. The joseki move is extend d15. Study this joseki. Studying the joseki starting with d15 is worth this game.

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Author:	Ades [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:09 pm ]
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EdLee wrote: Both G3 and H4 can be CUT. The first question is: can you find a move that CANNOT be CUT. okay.. G4 would be a sufficient answer then

Author:	EdLee [ Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:32 pm ]
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Ades wrote: G4 would be a sufficient answer then OK, G4 cannot be cut. Maybe a bit slow. Other ideas: H5, or F7.