Life In 19x19 :: ASR 2011 winter tournament!

I have a problem to contact my opponent for the first round of the tournament. He hasn't been online from Jan 25 both here and on KGS. Also, he wasn't active during the January League. Left him messages on KGS and here.

Due to this situation, I thought about figuring out a rule that will prevent such situations during the tournament (this is likely to happen every time a new Group starts its games in the tournaments).

My proposal is to oblige players to contact each other and set up the date of the game (not strict, but at least arrive to some approximate agreement) during the first week of the two-week time allotted for the round. If one of the players cannot be contacted during this time, and the second one is active and it is obvious that he tried hard enough to reach his opponent, he/she should be replaced by a player from the reserve list (hopefully there will be enough players). They will need to complete the game during the remaining week (a bit stressful, but possible).

Now, rereading and thinking a bit more i see that my proposal has its pitfalls, but it is good enough as a starting point to open a discussion.

Author:	stalkor [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:10 am ]
Post subject:	ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Dear ASR tournament players, today, 1 february 2011, we kick off the winter tournament! Our great programmer frango has made a special site for the tournament (which is still not completely done but it will be:)) which you can find here. (link) I want to stress very much you abide ALL the rules in the tournament, because if you mess up 1 setting or don't say "ASR tournament" BOTH, it will not register as a tournament game! You can find your pairing for the first round on the site so go there and get cracking! It's nice to use this thread to post when you're going to play so we can watch if we want to:) The first round lasts until the 14th, the 15th we will start the next round so finish BEFORE then! If you havent played one of the players has to resign from the tournament BEFORE the next round or BOTH players will be eliminated. I wish you all the luck and have fun in the tournament!

Author:	Phelan [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
I'm playing belettego this friday, at 19h GMT.

Author:	jdl [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:46 pm ]
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stalkor wrote: ...or don't say "ASR tournament" BOTH You might want to update the rules, since this isn't mentioned anywhere.

Author:	stalkor [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
jdl wrote: stalkor wrote: ...or don't say "ASR tournament" BOTH You might want to update the rules, since this isn't mentioned anywhere. http://asrleague.com/rules.html yes it is:)

Author:	jdl [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Cheating! That wasn't there the last time I looked. FYI Goldskibum and I are going to try to play tonight. Probably ~02:30 GMT.

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Author:	jdl [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:25 pm ]
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Where do we view the results?

Author:	stalkor [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
on the site the results will be visible shortly on the site, were still working on it:) no worries though, the game you played will be visible:)

Author:	musai [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
I have a problem to contact my opponent for the first round of the tournament. He hasn't been online from Jan 25 both here and on KGS. Also, he wasn't active during the January League. Left him messages on KGS and here. Due to this situation, I thought about figuring out a rule that will prevent such situations during the tournament (this is likely to happen every time a new Group starts its games in the tournaments). My proposal is to oblige players to contact each other and set up the date of the game (not strict, but at least arrive to some approximate agreement) during the first week of the two-week time allotted for the round. If one of the players cannot be contacted during this time, and the second one is active and it is obvious that he tried hard enough to reach his opponent, he/she should be replaced by a player from the reserve list (hopefully there will be enough players). They will need to complete the game during the remaining week (a bit stressful, but possible). Now, rereading and thinking a bit more i see that my proposal has its pitfalls, but it is good enough as a starting point to open a discussion.

Author:	Li Kao [ Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
alrobin an I are playing just now ---------------- Game finished: [sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[LiKao]PB[alrobin]WR[4k]BR[9k]DT[2011-02-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[alrobin [9k\]: hi alrobin [9k\]: good game LiKao [4k\]: hfave fun and good luck LiKao [4k\]: ASR tournament alrobin [9k\]: ASR Tournament alrobin [9k\]: yes ]RE[W+Resign] ;B[pd]BL[2381.561] ;W[pp]WL[2360.286] ;B[dd]BL[2370.123] ;W[dp]WL[2357.266] ;B[qn]BL[2357.91] ;W[pl]WL[2349.999] ;B[qq]BL[2340.96] ;W[qp]WL[2337.14] ;B[pq]BL[2317.234] ;W[op]WL[2280.943] ;B[rp]BL[2280.333] ;W[ro]WL[2272.493] ;B[rq]BL[2275.319] ;W[qo]WL[2270.905] ;B[nq]BL[2263.123] ;W[pf]WL[2263.581] ;B[nc]BL[2233.351] ;W[nf]WL[2250.37] ;B[fq]BL[2187.057]C[musai [7k\]: players, do you see this text? ] ;W[cm]WL[2215.088] ;B[np]BL[2181.829] ;W[no]WL[2202.935] ;B[jp]BL[2160.812] ;W[oq]WL[2180.89] ;B[or]BL[2154.29] ;W[lp]WL[2177.092] ;B[lq]BL[2147.511] ;W[kq]WL[2098.863]C[LiKao [4k\]: that move feels a bit overplayish to me LiKao [4k\]: not sure what to do against it though ] ;B[lr]BL[2136.85] ;W[kp]WL[2093.187] ;B[mp]BL[2132.055]C[alrobin [9k\]: this was a mistake LiKao [4k\]: n4 looks bad alrobin [9k\]: empty triangle LiKao [4k\]: probably worse than passing alrobin [9k\]: yes ] ;W[mo]WL[2090.542] ;B[cf]BL[2118.682]C[alrobin [9k\]: I missed it completely ] ;W[nr]WL[2076.569]C[tugboat [8k\]: players cannot see the test. just observers tugboat [8k\]: text ] ;B[mr]BL[2078.393] ;W[ns]WL[2058.64] ;B[jr]BL[1968.342] ;W[kr]WL[2039.425]C[alrobin [9k\]: maybe k3 LiKao [4k\]: perhaps tenuki and make points elsewher ] (;B[ks]BL[1959.485] ;W[ls]WL[2029.499]C[gryn [3k?\]: instead of m1 just k3 gryn [3k?\]: then take the 3 stones and don't worry about the other 3 ] ;B[ps]BL[1914.928] ;W[jo]WL[2023.937] ;B[jq]BL[1840.304] ;W[io]WL[2011.588] (;B[so]BL[1796.733] ;W[rn]WL[1996.541] ;B[sn]BL[1787.012]C[alrobin [9k\]: ] ;W[sm]WL[1978.316] ;B[sp]BL[1784.723] ;W[rm]WL[1977.39] ;B[rr]BL[1728.612] ;W[hq]WL[1968.164] ;B[hr]BL[1712.898]C[LiKao [4k\]: not sure what's right here ] ;W[gr]WL[1953.395]C[LiKao [4k\]: g2 might be overplay ] (;B[ip]BL[1622.281] ;W[hp]WL[1939.403]C[LiKao [4k\]: but I don't think j4 is the right answer ] ;B[ho]BL[1617.665] ;W[go]WL[1905.524] ;B[hn]BL[1612.298]C[alrobin [9k\]: hi, Al gryn [3k?\]: h5 is not a good exchange, now you have to n3 gryn [3k?\]: g5 ] ;W[gq]WL[1858.699]C[gryn [3k?\]: now l5 ] ;B[ko]BL[1602.69]C[LiKao [4k\]: totally missed that one tugboat [8k\]: I remember it as th eagle's nest - a bit tricky none the less when you are under pressure alrobin [9k\]: this was my only good play in the game LiKao [4k\]: that's why I considered not playing the crane's nest LiKao [4k\]: but it looked like the aji could be handled alrobin [9k\]: but then I played poorly from here LiKao [4k\]: so I couldn't let the opportunity pass ] ;W[lo]WL[1812.594]C[alrobin [9k\]: right ] ;B[kn]BL[1599.977] ;W[jm]WL[1786.361] ;B[jn]BL[1596.569] ;W[im]WL[1784.527] ;B[in]BL[1593.529] ;W[ll]WL[1781.902] ;B[gn]BL[1586.553] ;W[fo]WL[1777.501] ;B[fn]BL[1551.481] ;W[en]WL[1770.044] ;B[eo]BL[1532.945] ;W[do]WL[1757.066] ;B[ep]BL[1517.27] ;W[eq]WL[1750.82] ;B[em]BL[1486.23] ;W[dn]WL[1746.002] ;B[fl]BL[1480.702] ;W[ic]WL[1713.462] ;B[kc]BL[1460.136] ;W[fc]WL[1711.917] ;B[ec]BL[1457.712] ;W[fd]WL[1708.577] ;B[fb]BL[1453.218] ;W[gb]WL[1706.657] ;B[db]BL[1444.219] ;W[kd]WL[1692.575] ;B[jc]BL[1437.995] ;W[jd]WL[1690.461] ;B[ld]BL[1424.946] ;W[le]WL[1689.197] ;B[md]BL[1416.107] ;W[lf]WL[1678.076] ;B[ck]BL[1396.74] ;W[hk]WL[1663.162] ;B[qe]BL[1392.789] ;W[qf]WL[1661.324] ;B[rd]BL[1386.714] ;W[ef]WL[1652.073] ;B[dh]BL[1360.37] ;W[fh]WL[1646.383] ;B[dm]BL[1354.233] ;W[cl]WL[1642.351] ;B[bk]BL[1345.33] ;W[dl]WL[1636.813] ;B[el]BL[1329.274] ;W[dk]WL[1626.387] ;B[dj]BL[1322.29] ;W[ej]WL[1621.143] ;B[ci]BL[1310.845] ;W[gl]WL[1614.87] ;B[ms]BL[1272.989] ;W[mq]WL[1610.458] ;B[iq]BL[1233.757]C[tugboat [8k\]: E 11 provides an in for black to the centre? ] ;W[fr]WL[1507.65]C[Phelan [6k\]: i think white can just block it ] ;B[is]BL[1223.35] ;W[gm]WL[1489.096] ;B[fm]BL[1210.207]C[Phelan [6k\]: at f11 or f10 ] ;W[fj]WL[1463.301] ;B[dq]BL[1087.985] ;W[er]WL[1446.273] ;B[cq]BL[1056.795] ;W[bp]WL[1436.894] ;B[cp]BL[1045.71] ;W[bo]WL[1429.85] ;B[ek]BL[971.472] ;W[bq]WL[1384.54] ;B[am]BL[921.003] ;W[bn]WL[1361.617]C[AlGebr [3k\]: s2 is a mistake Ojisama [3k?\]: expect aggressive overplay soon =) ] ;B[km]BL[869.357] ;W[kl]WL[1353.53]C[AlGebr [3k\]: W is more than ahead ] ;B[jl]BL[839.611] ;W[hm]WL[1338.814] ;B[jk]BL[834.231] ;W[fk]WL[1330.738] ;B[fi]BL[819.194] ;W[ei]WL[1327.513] ;B[gi]BL[817.033] ;W[lm]WL[1323.501] ;B[eh]BL[786.756]C[Marcus316 [3k\]: E12, please/. Marcus316 [3k\]: oh, good Marcus316 [3k\]: ] ;W[ij]WL[1310.977] (;B[gh]BL[774.463]C[LiKao [4k\]: big thank you move ] ;W[fg]WL[1307.796]C[Marcus316 [3k\]: not so good there, though ] ;B[gg]BL[761.356] ;W[gf]WL[1305.144] ;B[ih]BL[757.752] ;W[ji]WL[1300.948] ;B[hf]BL[754.956] ;W[ge]WL[1298.326]C[AlGebr [3k\]: no chance to live here ] ;B[jf]BL[744.665] ;W[ie]WL[1291.304] ;B[if]BL[737.165] ;W[jh]WL[1286.729] ;B[jj]BL[718.506] ;W[ii]WL[1283.14] ;B[lj]BL[709.78] ;W[ib]WL[1266.857] ;B[jb]BL[703.584] ;W[fa]WL[1263.099] ;B[eb]BL[693.015] ;W[ja]WL[1259.676] ;B[lb]BL[688.417] ;W[de]WL[1246.218] ;B[ce]BL[685.39] ;W[rf]WL[1244.388] ;B[ln]BL[661.019] ;W[mn]WL[1241.935] ;B[nk]BL[653.655] ;W[nl]WL[1237.905] ;B[lk]BL[643.467] ;W[ni]WL[1235.173] ;B[kg]BL[639.6] ;W[li]WL[1229.374] ;B[mi]BL[625.86] ;W[lh]WL[1225.608] ;B[lg]BL[621.729] ;W[mh]WL[1217.21] ;B[mg]BL[612.79] ;W[ng]WL[1211.573] ;B[mf]BL[610.137] ;W[me]WL[1207.968] ;B[ne]BL[587.734] ;W[oe]WL[1205.571] ;B[nd]BL[583.075] ;W[ke]WL[1204.416] ;B[ee]BL[562.551] ;W[df]WL[1200.41] ;B[he]BL[528.021] ;W[hd]WL[1197.769]C[Ojisama [3k?\]: and SE crashes ] ;B[hj]BL[473.837] ;W[gj]WL[1176.274] ;B[hi]BL[471.642] ;W[ik]WL[1172.853]C[tugboat [8k\]: so close to life Ojisama [3k?\]: still dead =) Ojisama [3k?\]: zombies don't count in go =) ] ;B[oh]BL[331.814] ;W[nh]WL[1162.318] ;B[nj]BL[323.779] ;W[pj]WL[1139.199] ;B[oi]BL[315.681] ;W[oj]WL[1135.631] ;B[ml]BL[310.578] ;W[nm]WL[1115.356] ;B[og]BL[294.607] ;W[of]WL[1095.11] ;B[qh]BL[288.669] ;W[ph]WL[1084.934] ;B[pi]BL[283.581] ;W[qi]WL[1082.5]C[alrobin [9k\]: thanks for the game LiKao [4k\]: thanks for the game alrobin [9k\]: as usual, I ran out of liberties LiKao [4k\]: where? alrobin [9k\]: q13 alrobin [9k\]: crane's nest ]) (;B[fg]C[alrobin [9k\]: yep ] ;W[gh] ;B[gg] ;W[hh] ;B[eg]C[LiKao [4k\]: painful for me alrobin [9k\]: not painful enough, though, I don't think LiKao [4k\]: but perhaps since you were behind your move was better alrobin [9k\]: from here I was just grasping at straws LiKao [4k\]: the bottom was too painful for you ])) (;B[gq]C[alrobin [9k\]: I was wondering about that move ] ;W[hp] ;B[ir]) (;B[hp])) (;B[hq]C[LiKao [4k\]: perhaps around here to stabilize alrobin [9k\]: yep LiKao [4k\]: still annoying because it's gote alrobin [9k\]: right ]) (;B[js])) (;B[jq] ;W[ks] (;B[kn]) (;B[jn]) (;B[fo]C[alrobin [9k\]: that looks pretty safe LiKao [4k\]: not sure if corner lives yet ] ;W[pr] ;B[qr] ;W[os]C[alrobin [9k\]: no, after t2 ] ;B[sr]C[alrobin [9k\]: I don't think it does alrobin [9k\]: t4 ] (;W[rs]C[LiKao [4k\]: cu alrobin [9k\]: you have control again ] ;B[qs] ;W[sp] ;B[rr]C[LiKao [4k\]: still dead ] ;W[ps]C[alrobin [9k\]: yes, that's what I meant ]) (;W[sp]C[alrobin [9k\]: no, you can't let me have s1 alrobin [9k\]: so play it first LiKao [4k\]: you have control alrobin [9k\]: threatens r1 ] ;B[rs] ;W[ps] ;B[qs] ;W[so] ;B[sq]C[alrobin [9k\]: alive LiKao [4k\]: t4 first looks wrong ]))))[/sgf-full] I won

Author:	stalkor [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
musai wrote: I have a problem to contact my opponent for the first round of the tournament. He hasn't been online from Jan 25 both here and on KGS. Also, he wasn't active during the January League. Left him messages on KGS and here. Due to this situation, I thought about figuring out a rule that will prevent such situations during the tournament (this is likely to happen every time a new Group starts its games in the tournaments). My proposal is to oblige players to contact each other and set up the date of the game (not strict, but at least arrive to some approximate agreement) during the first week of the two-week time allotted for the round. If one of the players cannot be contacted during this time, and the second one is active and it is obvious that he tried hard enough to reach his opponent, he/she should be replaced by a player from the reserve list (hopefully there will be enough players). They will need to complete the game during the remaining week (a bit stressful, but possible). Now, rereading and thinking a bit more i see that my proposal has its pitfalls, but it is good enough as a starting point to open a discussion. if an opponent is not online during the time a round lasts then the player needs to contact me. This player then gets an automatic win. The reserve list is meant for players who actually drop out before the round starts. On another note, you might have seen that the site has no results yet and thats because frango his harddrive crashed and he forgot to backup:( he told me he would be up to date when the next round begins so dont worry:)

Author:	belettego [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
This is the round 1 match Phelan (6k[KGS]) vs. belettego (12k[KGS]) from February 8th. [sgf-full]http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/2/4/Phelan-belettego.sgf[/sgf-full]

Author:	markeemark [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Hi Stalkor Now that I have found details, Im looking at playing it with jts by next sunday, If thats too late ill resign unfortunately. Thanks markeemark

Author:	Phelan [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Are the new pairings up elsewhere? Or are you going to extend the deadline due to the technical problems?

Author:	stalkor [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:56 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
unfortunately markeemark you have to play within the set time available for the tournament so you have to play today or resign from the tournament. the next pairing will be up tonight/tomorrow, we will see to it that its available a bit sooner next round:P

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Author:	stalkor [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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the next round has been posted! good luck everybody!

Author:	Frango [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Round 2 here: http://asrleague.com/currentround.html Other updates are to come soon, and after they are done (in the next 2 days), all sections will always be up to date.

Author:	Phelan [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
Small thing: this round's page says round 1.

Author:	stalkor [ Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
doesnt anymore:P

Author:	AlGebr [ Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: ASR 2011 winter tournament!
I will play against Bray at 15-00 GMT, Sunday 20th. Game finished: