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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #281 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:54 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ . . O . . . X .
$$ X X O O O O X X
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #282 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:00 pm 
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Harleqin wrote:
calm wrote:
I believe most monkey jumps are gote.


No. If you end in gote after having played a monkey jump, you have made a mistake.


If you end in gote after playing a monkey jump, you just played the biggest move on the board.

For those who want a philosophy of language/linguistics lesson, that's akin to a backtracking counterfactual, though I'm not sure if it has its own name.

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Offline mitsun
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #283 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:14 pm 
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I thought the monkey jump to O19 (sente) was bigger than R11.

It's all in the timing ... W needs to wait long enough that the monkey jump really is sente (because of the large follow-up if not answered), but not so long that the B block becomes the largest move (counting double for reverse sente). That looks like a pretty big window in this position, so W should have plenty of opportunities.
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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #284 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:06 pm 
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fwiffo wrote:
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[go]$$B
$$ . . O . . . X .
$$ X X O O O O X X
$$ . X 2 . . O O X
$$ . . 3 . 1 . O X
$$ ---------------[/go]

Always?


In this case, you would have to ask yourself whether a 3-point sente would not have been better than a 5-point gote.

Anyway, you can construct examples where something that you can technically label a monkey jump actually ends in gote with optimal play, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, a correct monkey jump should be played in such a way that one keeps sente. It is definitely wrong to assume that "most monkey jumps end in gote".

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 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #285 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:53 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X 2 1 3 X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a: is huge.
b,c,d are some other point of intrest..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . c . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X a . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O b . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X 2 1 3 X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #286 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . W O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Next point I'll aim for after this area is the top side monkey jump. It's pretty big.

Still don't think I can count this accurately, but my feeling is that I'm ahead.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #287 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
take his sente away and make it my sente. or profitable gote.
i had to make 10 points in the middle or somewhere else in order to win..i think i already made close to 7 points. all i need is few more points to take final lead. my thickness will surely yield more than 5 points. so i think i am ok.

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #288 Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:03 pm 
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a: is huge.
b,c,d are some other point of intrest..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . c . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X a . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O b . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X 2 1 3 X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why is it that a is so big? It seems small and gote to me. Is there a good follow up?

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Post #289 Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:06 am 
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Jedo;
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[go]$$Bcm1 maybe sente ?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . 2 . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X 1 5 . 3 4 X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . 6 . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10 white large gote ?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . 5 O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . 1 4 . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X 7 6 . 2 3 X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit; second diagram was absurd

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #290 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:43 am 
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i see that you quoted my comment.
if it is directed to me please specify.
i will be glad to answer your questions.

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Post #291 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:08 am 
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Jedo wrote:
Magicwand wrote:

a: is huge.
b,c,d are some other point of intrest..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . c . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X a . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O b . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X 2 1 3 X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why is it that a is so big? It seems small and gote to me. Is there a good follow up?


To Jedo:
If white ignores black's a, black f10 becomes a one-sided ko to capture the f11 stones.
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Post #292 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:58 am 
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uglyboxer wrote:
Jedo wrote:
Magicwand wrote:

a: is huge.
b,c,d are some other point of intrest..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . c . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X a . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O b . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X 2 1 3 X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 4 X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why is it that a is so big? It seems small and gote to me. Is there a good follow up?


To Jedo:
If white ignores black's a, black f10 becomes a one-sided ko to capture the f11 stones.


Actually, it's even better than that. There are two possible ways to go:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . d . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . 3 b . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X 1 2 4 5 a X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . c . X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white captures at A, black B has follow-ups at both C and D.

If white B, black connects at A and makes about 10 points in the center. Also D is still a threat.

Loons: If white peeps instead of cutting, black will immediately wedge and fight the ko, since white doesn't have enough liberties to avoid it.
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Post #293 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . W . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah... the topside is pretty big. So I'll play this very big point. I think he'll respond.
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Post #294 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O B . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #295 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . W . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X 3 . . 1 2 X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Man... he can really wreck this area... I think I should protect... now where else to play remains a question. N5?
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 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #296 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:35 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O B . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #297 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:02 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X 2 . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . 3 . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I have much choice here. Straightforward, right?
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Post #298 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:17 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . 2 . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #299 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:20 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . W . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oook... doesn't this make the clamp aji weaker?
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Post #300 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=6, B=10
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . O X . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | X X O O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | O O O . . O . . O O X X X O X O X O . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . X O . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X X O O . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . X O . X . X . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . X X O . X X X . . . X . |
$$ | . X O . O X O O O . O . O . . . O . . |
$$ | O X X O O X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O X X X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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