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Post #81 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:54 am 
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$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


I think White should have atari'd the other way, unless I missed something. Here, I'm just going to gain some liberties for aji, before doing what I wanted to do anyway.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 5 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
(p)
After the cross cut, W has 3 ataris among other options:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . O . .
$$ | . . O O O O . . . ,
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . b . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X c . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . a . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
If W(a), B can counter atari with :b2:, there are a few variations here
and it may involve evaluating the ko threat W(d) against a double ponnuki for B in the center;
conclusion: difficult for my level:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | . X X X d X . O . .
$$ | . . O O O O . . . ,
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . 2 . . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X . . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
If W(b), the good thing is W gets :w3: :b4: for free;
but after, say, :b6:, this requires very deep reading -- locally, can W kill B?
globally, can W close off B? The yes or no, and the resulting trade offs from
this messy fight involving 3 or 4 groups and how they affect the whole board --
conclusion: very difficult for my level:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X . . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . O . .
$$ | . . O O O O . . . ,
$$ | . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . 1 . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X 2 . .
$$ | . . . X 4 X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . 3 5 . . .
$$ | . . X . 6 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
Lastly, W(c)--
(*) First, we need to understand the real target is not :bc:, but :bs::
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X . O B 1 . .
$$ | . . . X . # O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
(*) If W simply connects at :wt:, then B can treat :bc: lightly:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . Q . . . .
$$ | . . . X . O B . . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
(*) But after the atari, B cannot tenuki and let W get a powerful center ponnuki, so :b2: nobi is forced:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . 3 2 . . .
$$ | . . . X . O B 1 . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
(*) The two B stones are now heavier than the single :bc: stone;
(*) The two B stones have only 2 liberties, compared to 3 in the W(b) variation;
(*) W(c) atari stone is on the outside;
(*) The two B stones are on the "inside", compared to sticking "out" in the W(b) variation;
(*) Tewari(1), W does not want to atari this direction:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O 1 . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X . . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
(*) Tewari(2), if :w1: atari, B cannot run, yet in the game, B extends;
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . .
$$ | . . . X . X O O . ,
$$ | . . . . . . X . . .
$$ | . . X . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]
(*) :w34: prepares for (e):
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[go]$$Wm34
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O X X . O . . . .
$$ | . . O e . 1 X . . .
$$ | . . . X . O X O . .
$$ | . . . X . X O . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .[/go]

Conclusion: unless one can completely read out the many variations of W(b)
and make all the correct evaluations, the W(c) atari already has many benefits.


Last edited by EdLee on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #83 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:11 am 
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 1 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:25 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 5 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

This was topazg's plan, but I really prefer 37 here.

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Post #86 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:50 am 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 5 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

This was topazg's plan, but I really prefer 37 here.


I don't like your 37. It leaves an ideal peep for white at the marked point, and the eye shape compared to topazg's diagram is not much better, with less access to the center / bottom.

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Post #87 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:09 am 
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...I think White should have atari'd the other way, unless I missed something....


Yep, I think Ed let Topazg get out. It still will not be pleasant, but now Topazg has possibilities for eventual counter attacks.




I like the solid connection
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[go]$$Wm32
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 5 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 1 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Rejected moves "a" to "e":

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[go]$$Wm36
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O b . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 1 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . c X d . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . e 2 . . x . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Basically, the hanging connection gives me access to the fairly big point at "x", and White cannot easily cut my important stones off - the atari has to be connected in gote, and I get enough thickness from it to poke at the bottom. The solid connection feels uninspired as I can't jump out, and it doesn't get me eye space either. This move lets me hopefully have a sort of miai of escaping and making 2 eyes locally. Both suck a bit, but dying really would be worse.

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Rudimentary tewari: if :w32: had been a direct connect at :w1:, it's as if
B ran with :b6: when W atari'd with :w5::
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$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . X . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . O .
$$ | . . O O O O . . .
$$ | . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 .
$$ | . O X X . O 8 . .
$$ | . . O . . 1 6 7 .
$$ | . . . X . O X 5 .
$$ | . . . X . X O 3 .
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . .
$$ | . . X . . 4 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

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Post #90 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:46 pm 
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I suppose it's reasonably obvious now why the atari had it's advantages over the extension White gave:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O C O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


White's position here is a fair bit thicker, and Black has no aji to play with - I don't think I could have played a different line anyway (or, at least, I hadn't planned to). Now I can potentially play to recover my extended stone, or use connect threats as peeps, which is pretty handy aji.

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[go]$$Wm38
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
One question is whether :w1: is sente. For example, even with :w3:,
B can start to make eye shape quite quickly (which was one meaning of :bc:):
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[go]$$W
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . B . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
In the game, B is not clearly alive yet, but it is also not clear to me
whether W can completely kill B. If I stubbornly try to kill but fail,
in the process I will have removed all bad aji for B, and may even lose sente to play :w38:.
So let's leave B alone for now and tenuki. :study:

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:20 pm 
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Perhaps 1 isn't sente to kill... it is still pretty big to get sealed in like this and I don't think B should allow it. Also, are you sure its not reverse sente? If B gets one then the aji those two marked stones looks really annoying for White. Also, it starts to feel Black is gaining enough strength to start something around 'a' later. I would rather take gote even to fix that:

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[go]$$Wm38 Hypothetically.
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O B O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

What do you think?

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Aphelion:
Yes, of course I wanted :b2: also, but I could not have both. :)
And no, I'm not sure about a great many things. This will be an interesting point to review afterwards. :study:
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
(p)
No problem with :w1:. If :b2: tenuki, W already can profit locally with :w3:, and W still has (a) later:
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[go]$$W
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Last edited by EdLee on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #94 Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:01 am 
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[go]$$Wm38
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that doesn't influence the group fight, and I think I'm mostly alive as it is. I'm also unsure how easily White can get sente from this sequence. I'm quite glad White chose this point to approach, I felt the high approach from the top would be more awkward somehow:

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[go]$$Wm38
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Reminds me of a couple of positions in Yilun Yang's, but maybe White's not thick enough in the top left to play this way.

Either way, if he takes the 3-3, I get sente. I'm also happy to fix the possible invasion here a bit:

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[go]$$Wm38
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . b . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . c . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Why I can't save those stones yet:

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[go]$$Wm38 I'm not crawling instead, either!
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm38 This side doesn't work either
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 0 a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 8 9 . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O 2 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm38 This may be promising with an extra liberty
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a 3 6 7 . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O 2 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

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Difficult problem for me.
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$$. . . . O 5 . |
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[go]$$W (3) W gote
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$$. 1 . X 5 . . |
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$$. 1 . 5 3 . . |
$$. . 6 X 4 . . |
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[go]$$Wm38 (7) :w40: tenuki
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It's beyond my level to decide what to do after :b39:,
so I'm treating :w38: as a probe and chose (7). :-?

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Post #98 Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:39 am 
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Making an eye. Probably will play as follows:

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$$ | . 3 O . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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I'm guessing both of us have been expecting :b41: for a long time.

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Post #100 Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:32 am 
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If he hanes, I can connect and his corner has enough aji to stop me from crying about this pitiful way of living. If he cuts, I think I get unconditional life at the cost of points. If he extends, I pull back and retain useful corner aji. I suspect he'll hane.

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