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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #121 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:03 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X W . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #122 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:35 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X X O 1 . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


haha, of course he cuts. I expect no less.

I think that I can afford to take time for 3. There must be enough aji in his right side group, that he cannot kill mine. Particularly the link through the marked stones looks flimsy:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . W . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O W . . . . W O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X X O 1 . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Plus black 3 pressures his four stones around G10, and shores up the lower left territory. I think I will be OK.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #123 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:54 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O W . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

editted hidden comment:
wow..what an overpaly.
but i can not stand being behind.
i dont really worry about my right group but the left looks so~~~ bad.
i have to play at "a" so i can seal black group exposing the weakness.
i have to play at 'b' so i can attack 2 stone. that will stablize my group.

i have too many urgent places..i dont think i will win.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . b . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O W . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline zinger
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Post #124 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:18 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X 1 . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, this is getting delicate. White is now playing stones in the danger zone where my bottom group could be affected. However, if my reading is correct, black 1 allows a connection with the bottom if white tries to kill:

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[go]$$c doesn't kill
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X 1 . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X 7 9 O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . 3 5 X O 0 X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . 2 4 6 X X 8 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$c doesn't kill cont.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O 5 4 . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . 7 6 3 O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 9 8 X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O B . 0 X O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . a X X X . 2 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . O O O X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

... and white is captured thanks to the aji of the marked stone. I love getting such mileage out of seemingly useless stones :D

Of course my reading has been wrong before ... we'll see. Also if white plays at K7 first (5 in the second diagram) I will have to live in gote. But I think my middle group will still be ok, with several chances: capture white around G10; cut through around N12; or even make two eyes internally. I am cautiously optimistic again.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #125 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:58 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #126 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:10 am 
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I think magicwand is losing this one.

Also, I think zinger is having the same blind spot I had on the bottom until someone posted a sequence-- he doesn't seem to be thinking of answering L2 with K2.

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Post #127 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:32 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, he is saving the left side stones. I will push once. That takes a couple points, plus I can then ignore when he pushes to the third line. After he answers, I will decide what to do about the right side groups.

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Offline Solomon
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Post #128 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:36 am 
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If B's center ends up dying, this game belongs in the bad beats thread :).
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Post #129 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:37 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #130 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:40 am 
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That connection zinger is thinking about doesn't work if white doesn't play those moves around L2:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O 1 4 . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . 5 2 3 O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . 7 6 X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X 0 8 X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . 9 . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #131 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:05 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Proverb say force before defending :razz:

White must answer this, then I will think about the right side groups. Or maybe force again, depends what he does.

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Post #132 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:07 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . W . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
that was very easy decision to make

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Post #133 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:15 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
That connection zinger is thinking about doesn't work if white doesn't play those moves around L2:

But if black lives in both, does it matter that the connection works?

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[go]$$cm11 daniel_the_smith's sequence cont.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O 3 , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X 1 . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O 2 O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . X O X O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X O O X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems black is good after this.

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Post #134 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:19 am 
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when you have someone running...you always give him a pathway to run.
if black played were i played then he would gain points and still attacking my group.

i am not saying that i am out of water but whole lot better than what it was before.
4 stone capture is as big as marked two stone capture on the bottom.
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . W . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X W , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #135 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:26 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 1 O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


more forcing

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X W . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . 1 X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . W X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . 1 O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I haven't made the fatal mistake .. must trust reading ..

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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