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 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #141 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:48 am 
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fwiffo wrote:
But if black lives in both, does it matter that the connection works?

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[go]$$cm11 daniel_the_smith's sequence cont.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O 3 , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X 1 . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X O 2 O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . X O X O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X O O X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems black is good after this.


What about a ko? Would this ko be at all possible for Black to play? Black seems to lose very little in the ko and gain much. :D Just my brain making crazy lines of thought ...

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[go]$$cm11 There's got to be some worth to this ko ... just don't know for whom.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X X 1 . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 O O X O 2 O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 3 X O X O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X O O X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O 5 . X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course, White can simply avoid the ko entirely.

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[go]$$cm11 Ko? What Ko?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . W . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . X X X W X X 1 . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 W W X O 2 O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 3 X O X O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X O O X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O 4 . X . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That connection looks huge for Black, and like fwiffo said, the bottom looks alive.

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Post #142 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:45 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . W . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #143 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:16 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . 7 X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . 5 4 X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After 5 I have enough liberties. The best he can do is force with 6 (probably immediately after 1)

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Post #144 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:18 pm 
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . W , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if i am successful here i will win this game..i think

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Post #145 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:36 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move is hard to answer. If he gets the corner and side I will lose on points.

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Post #146 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:42 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . W X . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #147 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:45 pm 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X 1 . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #148 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:47 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #149 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:49 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like the look of this board so much anymore. I may have to try to kill his right side group.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can kill him, but maybe I can take some points in sente.

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Post #152 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:38 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X W X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if i live then i win. that simple

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . O O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


some points .. and he must answer

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . W O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #155 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:57 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . 1 O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still complicated!

Heheh, I may not kill white, but I can make him think. He has one sure eye - the capture at Q11. So if he also captures O13 cleanly, he is alive. On the bright side, black P11 threatens to rescue Q11. That could come in handy.

Next question: can white escape?

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[go]$$c escape?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . 0 9 . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 8 7 2 X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 6 5 3 O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O 4 . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$c escape? cont
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , B . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X B . . . . O X . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . O X 1 X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . B O X X O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . B . B O O O . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . B O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O a O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I am hoping that the combined efforts of the marked black stones will stop white's escape. In addition, I have read out that white a does not threaten the bottom left corner. And lastly:

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[go]$$c preparation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . W . O 1 O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X 3 X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have read out one line (too long to show, meh) where white can make use of the gap at N16 to live. But if white allows me to fix this in sente first ... there could be a kill. If this turns out to be true, white will really regret the marked hanging connection, instead of the solid connection one space to the right.

I will test his reading of all this by starting with black 1 on the un-hidden board.

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Post #156 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:07 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . W . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #157 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:21 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, I'm pretty sure that lives.

It looks like white leads. But it's not a huge lead, so no harm in testing his endgame. Black 1 looks like the biggest move, maybe more than 20 points different to white playing 3-3. Also it has a followup later, if he doesn't answer.

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Post #158 Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:38 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X W . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think i am ahead!!!! but still can not guarantee my winning.
too many unknowns i can not calculate....
after few moves i will start to nail the coffin and declare my winning.
but as of now... it is still unclear...

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O 1 . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Will he give me sente?

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . W O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i dont know what is there but i felt something is there. i mean something bad... what i played willl give me 100% life for top and middle group. also looking to connect the middle stones in sente.

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