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Post #181 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:15 am 
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$$ | . O . O X . . X O O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . W . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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you will find out later if i have a lead.

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Post #182 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:26 am 
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It's real close, and could easily be lost by an endgame blunder, but I predict a 3.5 point win for black.

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Post #183 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:28 am 
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$$ | . O . O X . 1 X O O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a really close game. I wonder what he will do next.

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Post #184 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:32 am 
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$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O W . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #185 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:34 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ho hum, waiting for a turn where I have a choice ..

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Post #186 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:35 am 
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It's real close, and could easily be lost by an endgame blunder, but I predict a 3.5 point win for black.


Question - is there komi? I think the above is a good estimate of the score on the board at the moment, but komi would be hard for black. Furthermore, I see more valuable endgame plays for white at this point - j4 and b3 for example. Black has a big move at r9, but the rest of the board looks like defense for black. So if their is komi I think this is magicwand's game, without it I think he may squeak it out.

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Post #187 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:37 am 
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quantumf wrote:
It's real close, and could easily be lost by an endgame blunder, but I predict a 3.5 point win for black.


Question - is there komi? I think the above is a good estimate of the score on the board at the moment, but komi would be hard for black. Furthermore, I see more valuable endgame plays for white at this point - j4 and b3 for example. Black has a big move at r9, but the rest of the board looks like defense for black. So if their is komi I think this is magicwand's game, without it I think he may squeak it out.

There is no komi, 2h game.

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Post #188 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:37 am 
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$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #189 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:40 am 
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i counted and i am down few points. but i have sente and more end game... very close.

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Post #190 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:41 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . O X 1 . . |
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$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sente for him, but I am left with a few points of equity at P19.

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Post #191 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:43 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . W X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #192 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:51 am 
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$$ | . . O . . . X O X . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | 1 . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, taking this stone is gote for him. I'll get a real turn shortly. Unless he changes his mind that is.

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Post #193 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:57 am 
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May I ask why A4 instead of the more obvious B4? I assume I'm missing an obvious reason why it would be better?

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Post #194 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:59 am 
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$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | W X O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #195 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:00 pm 
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Chew Terr:

B4 would leave white with ko aji on the first line:

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$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | 5 6 . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | 4 1 X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | 2 . O O . . O O . X . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Very bad. Black 1 in the game avoids this.

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Post #196 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:02 pm 
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I guess you guys will remember prisoners in your final count...

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Post #197 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:03 pm 
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Thanks, zinger, I'll try to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.

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$$ | . O . O X . X X O O . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . O . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . X . . X O X X X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X . . O O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . O O O O X . |
$$ | . O O O . X O O X . . O . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . X O X X X X O X X . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O O . . . O X X O O X 3 |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . 2 |
$$ | X . X X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
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OK, my turn, not to be wasted! Seems like a good time to take the sente play on the right edge.

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Post #199 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:07 pm 
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Thanks, zinger, I'll try to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.


My pleasure.

Notice that white has the same idea at K19.

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